[Team] Aston Martin Racing in 2023. One of the cars still has Alonso.

[S griffin]

Great insight there. Nice to see him come out of his shell and reveal a lot. Surprised he had time to do it all considering all that's been going on.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

This is waaaay off topic but two years ago a Jaguar E Type wiped the floor with all the Cobras and TVRs etc. at Goodwood. It was so fast they had to stop it before race end. The car belonged to Adrian and he "engineered" it. I'm not going into the legality of it, that's another story, but it does suggest that given the time he would be able make a "normal" road car and it would sell.

If you get the chance take a close look at the Etype. Makes a complete mockery of the Duke's self important YouTube video proclaiming that Hotrods were not welcome - unless they edited out the bit about his mates adhering to an alternative rule book

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

If you get the chance take a close look at the Etype. Makes a complete mockery of the Duke's self important YouTube video proclaiming that Hotrods were not welcome - unless they edited out the bit about his mates adhering to an alternative rule book

This sounds like anti-Newey bias. One can be sure the car (largely) complied to the letter of the regulations as required. Almost all historic racing cars are tuned with more modern components, within the allowances of the regulations.

E.g., IIRC Newey specified the hatch be left ajar as this improved the aerodynamics and reduced rear lift, this is within the regulations.

I'm not sure if the E-Type is coachbuilt, but many rival historic sportscars are -- the nature of the coachbuilt car is variation from car to car and if that means the rear quarters "accidentally" get tucked in more to reduce drag or the nose "accidentally" gets lowered to reduce front lift, so be it!

What features do you object to on Newey's E-Type in particular?

Are you suggesting it violates basic requirements of the class, like the suspension pickup points must be within X mm of their original location or so on?

For example, the Imps in CTCRC still run the old-fashioned long skirt pistons as presumably the use of these old-fashioned OEM-style pistons is mandatory, but they are allowed (and therefore use) more modern cam profiles, more modern rear seals etc.

Is the complaint that the Newey cars are new shells, built by Jaguar in ~2015? But surely many of the Minis or Escorts in CTCRC are new shells too (British Motor Heritage brand new Mini shell) -- so what? A large number of "historic" Camaro and Mustang racers are brand new shells.

Edit -- No Newey's car(s) is a 1963? In any case what are the complaints? Surely it is not scrutineered to a different rulebook than other entrants, that would be silly.

Regardless there is no shortage of XJS shells. The whole thing is silly -- the E-Type is desirable, the XJS is not. Why? People go to great lengths to build an E-Type race replica (recreation), yet it (seems like) most of the XJS Group A historic cars are the originals as to build a XJS Group A replica would cost far more than it would ever be worth to anyone (instead we have XJS "bangers" in the Jaguar Enthusiasts' Club Saloon and GT Championship, vaguely modified road cars that are not nearly as posh as a Neweymobile nor even as feracious as a Group A replica, such is the cost to extract power from a Jaguar V12 that most are unwilling to spend...).

In anycase this is off-topic from Aston Martins, which are far more posh that Jaguars.

[V8 Fireworks]

Personally I think it is ridiculous that people complain about cars being developed in historic racing whether by Adrian Newey or others:
https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...131895&page=15

While Andy Jones enjoys a period Imp engine (they have some neat tricks -- wedge heads, machined down rod bolts to save 2g per rod, radical cam duration etc), his modern "historic" engines are different as he is using modern techniques and methods. He still meets the letter of the regulations.

Absurd complaints IMO! Tuning and development is the fun of racing, regardless if it's historic or Formula One.

Yes some historic classes like Group C/Group A/Super Touring have very little tuning, as the entrants can barely afford to run the cars at all -- the Super Touring cars were already developed to within an inch of their lives in period and can be hardly be improved, but that's the exception!

[Peter Mallett]

[Mod] I said in my post that the legality of the car in question was another story thus please stay on topic, it was just used as an example of Newey's abilities with road cars. [/Mod]

[S griffin]

This is a big challenge for Newey. The team seem to have lost their way and are pretty much also rans atm. There is a mountain to climb for him

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by S griffin

This is a big challenge for Newey. The team seem to have lost their way and are pretty much also rans atm. There is a mountain to climb for him

Well, if you look at where Williams were in 88/89 after losing the Honda engines and where they were three years later after Newy had arrived there was significant turnaround. Give Newey 2025/26 to lay the foundations and see where the team is in 2027/28, and we'll know if the mountain was too steep or not.

[bathurst77]

was only a few years ago mclaren were battling williams for last spot.
New management and technical direction and bucket of cash, anything is possible!

[bathurst77]

The Big question is, will Newey, another bucket of cash or shares, a disppointing year, and the whole CH DM drama, be enough to sway max?
It was interesting yesterday to hear him say (of Newey) after a number of years you can look for new challenges and change... is he thinking that of himself too?

[P38 in workshop]

It would be odd if he wasn't.Of course,by the time his contract expires,Sir Lewis might have hung up his helmet and created a vacancy that would mean red overalls.

[crmalcolm]

Fernando Alonso is set to become the first driver to compete in 400 Formula 1 Grands Prix in Mexico City this weekend.

[GTRMagic]

Technical Director Out!

[S griffin]

Aston haven’t set the world on fire this season. I can see Alonso struggling to continue his career at this rate

[broadrun96]

Uhh, it's a certain guy state he was joining the AMR group as TD, or some part of TD

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Aston haven’t set the world on fire this season. I can see Alonso struggling to continue his career at this rate

Agree. Alonso finished in the top 10 in the first 6 races of the season and since then he's been all over the place, with a DNF in Mexico which was his 400th start. As for Stroll his overall performance has been dismal.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Technical Director Out!

No. He is not out.
He has resigned from his position as chief technical officer.
Bob Bell has been appointed in the interim.
Fallows will remain with the team and be redeployed in another area.

This is Andy Cowell (from Mercede3s) sweeping the floor in preparation for a new guy who joins in March next year. A new technical director probably will be employed but probably not until after Newey and Cardile are in their offices. Cardile is from Ferrari, but his start date is still being negotiated.

Fallows was in aerodynamics at RBR, went to Aston and at the start of 23 the car was a rocket with Fernando getting podiums. Since then Fallows was elevated to overall technical director, but the ship has lost its rudder, and AMR is turning in circles with no lift in performance.

So, if he goes back to his field of expertise and is relieved of overall technical duties maybe when Newey arrives the two can work on a solution.

When Newey arrives then we can expect some uplift over the second half of 2025.
In the meantime, they need to get the 2025 base car ready for the opening of the season.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Agree. Alonso finished in the top 10 in the first 6 races of the season and since then he's been all over the place, with a DNF in Mexico which was his 400th start. As for Stroll his overall performance has been dismal.

He probably was lucky others took time to catch up. I think the car ain't that great. I think Stroll needs to move on, he's got too comfortable here

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by S griffin

He probably was lucky others took time to catch up. I think the car ain't that great. I think Stroll needs to move on, he's got too comfortable here

Where would he go?!