[WEC] BoP. Brilliant or Pants.

[Adam43]

You can’t handle the truth!

To be fair it is me saying people can’t handle it. There seems to be a lot of evidence for that.

Although it is opposite from the line from A Few Good Men. We don’t have to go deep down here, the truth is rather dull. The truth is that there are some people analysing some data. They probably drink Perrier water.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Sounds like self serving position of you don't know we get to pretend we know from inside info so you have to come to the media to get it and drives clicks/subscription. Or maybe I just don't trust any of those types that want to tell us what we can handle and limit it because arguing isn't good

Just for transparency - I own theracingline.media. I don't write for it, but I do own the name, the url, and CMS, and pay for it all. So I am not unbiased in this discussion.

The article was discussed at length in our group chat before being posted. It wasn't intended as a "you have to come to us to get info", but I can see how it comes across that way.

But the "we need to get the info from the media" is true about everything, surely? Whether that's external media, or the WEC website (which is barely usable), or podcasts, or the commentary team. We rely on media to relay information. Without that every fan would need to dig through the technical PDFs every race, which isn't reasonable.

To argue for the "fans don't need to know" side of things - how many people are aware LMGT3 has success ballast in WEC? Almost nobody. Because it's not mentioned anywhere other than some technical bulletins. The main sites rarely mention it, the commentary team doesn't mention it, RLM doesn't mention it. Since the media isn't talking about it, people aren't aware of it.

Sidenote: If you have an opinion piece you'd want to write but have no where to post it, then theracingline.media is open to anyone on ten tenths who wants to.

[Adam43]

As an aside, I feel I ought to look at GT more. I’ve been automating the review of lap times, speeds, laps, stints, etc… as you might of noticed. For two reason. One is to teach myself python. Another is to make it easier for me to look at the data rather than spend the time pulling it together. Not that it took ages before, but I am time poor.

I mention because one aim to be able to easily switch to look at different classes. Which, apart from Le Mans, I rarely did. Like the TV coverage I concentrated on the top class.

Anyway, I agree, it is rarely mentioned that there is success ballast. I’ve been superficially tracking as I scrape the BoP data which, unless trl get their way is freely available.

And people can’t handle them

[tomcug]

Originally Posted by Adam43

They have a point. Basically we can’t take it. We can’t understand it and we will just make stuff up. Discussing the changes are almost impossible to do in a rationale way.

What they are calling for is less transparency and the reason is that we can’t be trusted with that information. Which by and large is true.

I'm not sure if it's really a good idea to make the BOP data confidential. First of all, what would we talk about here!? But most importantly, BOP is already a very "hot" topic if you look at places like SC366's comments section or Reddit. And making it secret would probably only make things worse and ignite even more absurd conspiracy theories than the ones that are currently circulating among fans. After all they must have something to hide if they don't want to show it! And I'm pretty sure every victory would be called gifted by BOP in that case (not that it doesn't happen already but I'd expect the trend to become much worse).

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by tomcug

I'm not sure if it's really a good idea to make the BOP data confidential. First of all, what would we talk about here!?

Ha! Good point!

Just some context. I view this topic as interesting
, but in the world order inconsequential. In the context of sportscar racing it is quite fundamental, but where we are now also, oddly, minor. It has as enabled me to see much more of the wonderful nuanced aspects of endurance racing.

So I am flippant, amused and find the topic fun. Yet, also unimportant.

But most importantly, BOP is already a very "hot" topic if you look at places like SC366's comments section or Reddit.

Why would you look at that!

It does prove the point. People struggle to rationally dissect the bit of information provided !

And making it secret would probably only make things worse and ignite even more absurd conspiracy theories than the ones that are currently circulating among fans. After all they must have something to hide if they don't want to show it! And I'm pretty sure every victory would be called gifted by BOP in that case (not that it doesn't happen already but I'd expect the trend to become much worse).

True. Although does that matter as they probably would do the same just try and use some ropey math to prove it!



But overall I support it. If only because I am interested.