uk f1 tv coverage - sky, bbc and ch4

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by flatlandsman

I have not seen enough of Danica to know what she is like as a pundit really, Jenson is a bit grey as are most ex drivers, the best was Villeneuve!! Stirred it right up,. but we all know why!! I have seen Nico be excellent at times, but Hill, Chandhok, Davidson, all bland and just going through the motions, as they are probably told to.

It appears we value different things in our presenters, which will be why we have such opposite opinions on things.

I'm looking for decently well presented facts and information. You are wanting entertainment.

[flatlandsman]

I have just watched a few sort of 10 minute reviews etc. I really think people give Danica a hard time. You have to look at the bigger picture here. The sport is owned by America now, Sky is by far the biggest outlet for F1 globally, SHE is American, she is a woman, she has competed at a very high level and unlike plenty of other female presenters she has driven in very competitive series and in Indy terms won a race that was not lucky or gifted. She is about as close as it gets to an ex female F1 driver. And as far as it goes she looks great, she can present, she can speak well. These are all factors in modern sports presenting. Regardless of knowledge, experience.

As far as you say Akrapovic you are right to some degree, if I am paying that much money ( I am not and never will) to watch a sport I want to be both entertained and informed, do I find Croft entertaining? No, he is simply annoying, fake and has too much ego. I personally would give the host role to Pinkers, she can do it well, she has been in there for years now. I would lose Croft, Button, Davidson and the two SKY people is it Rachel and the Scottish guy, totally unnecessary. Streamline it, it only needs a few people.

[Greem]

Ant Davidson isn't paid to be entertaining, he's paid to be the excellent analyst that he is. Dispassionate, unbiased, highly experienced as both a driver and pundit.

Karun Chandok is a walking motorsport encyclopaedia. The reason he's so enthusiastic is that he just loves the sport, in any form, and he brings that along in everything he does. Bland he most definitely is not!

Rachel (Brookes) and the Scottish guy (Craig Slater) are both sports reporters. They do vastly more off camera than on, and without them the various shows would be a shadow of what they are.

We get it, you don't like the coverage. That's fine, there's no law against it, but for the love of the forum would you please stop demanding people justify why they do like things? You're beginning to sound like the stereotypical bloke who sits at the bar in your local, telling everyone who orders something why they shouldn't. It's tedious.

[EastonNeston]

The fact that Rachael Brookes and Craig Slater are "proper" news reporters adds massively to the coverage. It is a live sports news event, the presentation team are there to present the facts and explain what is happening, something that Ant D and Karun are also excelelnt at, especially as both competed for many years in the upper levels of the sport.

What doesn't add to the coverage, in my opinion, is the "Village idiot" act presenters, eg Kravitz, and before he was removed Johnny Herbert.

[flatlandsman]

I did not say I did not like the coverage. You did that I think. I am merely pointing out that you could easily lose a considerable number of them and miss very little from the footage. There are not many teams, most of the stuff they get is from PR people, do you really need two news reporters?

Do we really need 4 or 5 people to analyse every aspect of the race? I know there are a lot of hours of coverage at each race and the crew sort of come in and out with various other responsibilities, but it does seem rather tv person heavy does it not?

Interestingly Kravitz has been in the F1 pitlane for well over 20 years, why is he a village idiot, I really so no issue with him!! Herbert I could see why he was gone, but for certain fun aspects of the overall coverage they had he was a good addition, but they seemed to have moved into a more heavy, news based version of their coverage.

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by Greem

Ant Davidson isn't paid to be entertaining, he's paid to be the excellent analyst that he is. Dispassionate, unbiased, highly experienced as both a driver and pundit.

Karun Chandok is a walking motorsport encyclopaedia. The reason he's so enthusiastic is that he just loves the sport, in any form, and he brings that along in everything he does. Bland he most definitely is not!

Rachel (Brookes) and the Scottish guy (Craig Slater) are both sports reporters. They do vastly more off camera than on, and without them the various shows would be a shadow of what they are.

We get it, you don't like the coverage. That's fine, there's no law against it, but for the love of the forum would you please stop demanding people justify why they do like things? You're beginning to sound like the stereotypical bloke who sits at the bar in your local, telling everyone who orders something why they shouldn't. It's tedious.

Brilliant

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by flatlandsman

I have just watched a few sort of 10 minute reviews etc. I really think people give Danica a hard time. You have to look at the bigger picture here. The sport is owned by America now, Sky is by far the biggest outlet for F1 globally, SHE is American, she is a woman, she has competed at a very high level and unlike plenty of other female presenters she has driven in very competitive series and in Indy terms won a race that was not lucky or gifted. She is about as close as it gets to an ex female F1 driver. And as far as it goes she looks great, she can present, she can speak well. These are all factors in modern sports presenting. Regardless of knowledge, experience.

So you like Danica because she's hot.

That's all well and good, you do you, but what matters for F1 presenters is what comes out of her mouth, which more often than not is drivel.

We have a female ex-racer and if that's what's important to you, attractive too - already in Naomi Schiff.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by flatlandsman

I really think people give Danica a hard time. You have to look at the bigger picture here. The sport is owned by America now, Sky is by far the biggest outlet for F1 globally, SHE is American, she is a woman, she has competed at a very high level and unlike plenty of other female presenters she has driven in very competitive series and in Indy terms won a race that was not lucky or gifted. She is about as close as it gets to an ex female F1 driver. And as far as it goes she looks great, she can present, she can speak well. These are all factors in modern sports presenting. Regardless of knowledge, experience.

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And she thinks the world is controlled by lizard people.Giving complete nut jobs like this any sort of platform at all gives them some credibility and encourages people to go down that rabbit hole.
The world has enough crazy in it without increasing it.However it is Murdoch where crazed conspiracy passes as news and all morals come with a dollar sign integrated.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Skam85

So you like Danica because she's hot.

That's all well and good, you do you, but what matters for F1 presenters is what comes out of her mouth, which more often than not is drivel.

He has made it clear he doesn't like what comes out of the other presenters mouths because they are boring, apparently.

Maybe Karun should wear a dress.

[flatlandsman]

Oh dear, did I say I liked Danica because she is hot, I think I gave multiple reasons why having her on screen at times is worthwhile, but if you want to take that angle so be it, denying it is a factor is also silly because whatever you say, it is.

But mainly, she is there for her achievements and status among racing drivers, she certainly has far more clout in racing terms than Schiff who barely raced anything to a decent standard.

She has weird views on things, sorry, she is American, that explains that.

As far as not liking any of the other presenters, I have not said that, I merely said they could do with being thinned out a bit. Unless you want 15 people every weekend presenting the sport. We managed perfectly well with about 5 for decades!! F1 has always been fairly popular you know, this is not a recent phenomenon

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by flatlandsman

She has weird views on things, sorry, she is American, that explains that.

What a way to stereotype [insult] a significant portion of the membership of this forum!!!

[EastonNeston]

There is a lot of work involved in producing 10-12 hours of live TV for 3 days, especially as they are working on a very spread out site and limited access to key participants. so the size of the broadcast crew is probably about right for what is needed.

[flatlandsman]

You are right, I cannot edit it unfortunately

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

What a way to stereotype [insult] a significant portion of the membership of this forum!!!

I'm not insulted, I find generalisations about Americans rather amusing.

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by flatlandsman

Oh dear, did I say I liked Danica because she is hot, I think I gave multiple reasons why having her on screen at times is worthwhile, but if you want to take that angle so be it, denying it is a factor is also silly because whatever you say, it is.

But mainly, she is there for her achievements and status among racing drivers, she certainly has far more clout in racing terms than Schiff who barely raced anything to a decent standard.

She has weird views on things, sorry, she is American, that explains that.

As far as not liking any of the other presenters, I have not said that, I merely said they could do with being thinned out a bit. Unless you want 15 people every weekend presenting the sport. We managed perfectly well with about 5 for decades!! F1 has always been fairly popular you know, this is not a recent phenomenon

Nobody cares about what a TV presenter did on track in their past career because they are *checks notes* not on the race track anymore.

Villenueve is a World Champion but he's a bit of a muppet on screen. Ant Davidson and Karun scored a grand total of 0 points in their F1 careers but provide valuable and respected insights.

Danica provides nothing other than tokenism