BTCC NGTC: Which cars do you wanna see?

**FIRE** · 3 Jun 2009, 17:04 (Ref:2474822)

With BTCC introducing the Next Generation Touring Car in 2011. For fun I made a list of 5 cars I want to see on the grid:

1. Vauxhall/Opel Insignia
2. Ford Mondeo
3. Volkswagen Passat
4. Honda Accord
5. Toyota Avensis

On my shortlist:
Volvo S40
Mazda 6
Alfa Romeo 159

Which 5 cars do you wanna see?

Speed-King · 3 Jun 2009, 17:38 (Ref:2474831)

How many different car models will be elegible, anyway? I mean, leaving out the Chinese for a moment, which cars would actually be possible?

The ADAC-Pannenstatistik lists the following cars under middleclass:

(Mercedes C-Class)
Audi A4
(BMW 3 series)
VW Passat
Skoda Octavia
Toyota Avensis
Mazda 6
Volvo S40/V40/V50
Renault Laguna
Opel Vectra (then Vauxhall Insignia)
Ford Mondeo

of those the Mercedes and the Bimmer are RWD and not possible, but then there's also:
Citroen C5
Seat Exeo
Alfa 159
Peugeot 407 (then 408)
Mitsubishi Lancer
Chevy Cruze
Honda Accord

Did I forget someone important? Do Fiat or Nissan have family-sedans right now?

Anyway, here's my list:
- Mitsubishi Lancer
- Mazda 6
- Renault Laguna
- Vauxhall Insignia
- Ford Mondeo

But I also really want the Passat and the Accord...

THIM · 3 Jun 2009, 17:42 (Ref:2474839)

Maybe Passat CC?

helterskelter · 3 Jun 2009, 17:52 (Ref:2474846)

I think the Fiat Bravo won't be allowed, but the car looks damn sporty! Would be nice to see it with a rear wing and with an engine making a lot of noise...

MarkkuAlen86 · 3 Jun 2009, 18:14 (Ref:2474864)

If the cost does turn out to be as low as claimed, the manufacturers could come flooding back.

I like the sound of these rules, hope it triggers a revival.

awrb · 3 Jun 2009, 22:34 (Ref:2475008)

Quote:

Originally Posted by helterskelter

I think the Fiat Bravo won't be allowed, but the car looks damn sporty! Would be nice to see it with a rear wing and with an engine making a lot of noise...

It does look good. Will the teams be able to add mad front and rear bumpers to make the length up? If so, that would look good.

Anyway, by 2011 Chrysler will be properly integrated into FIAT so we'll probably see that styling on larger cars soon.

Valker · 4 Jun 2009, 06:54 (Ref:2475126)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Do Fiat or Nissan have family-sedans right now?

FIAT has Linea, but it's smaller car than the other ones mentioned.

helterskelter · 4 Jun 2009, 07:16 (Ref:2475142)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valker

FIAT has Linea, but it's smaller car than the other ones mentioned.

It probably has a different name in Finland because I've never heard of a Fiat Linea.

Could you please post a link to some pictures?

Valker · 4 Jun 2009, 07:42 (Ref:2475163)

Here you go: http://www.delta.fi/Etusivu/Henkil%C...5/Default.aspx

Speed-King · 4 Jun 2009, 08:07 (Ref:2475174)

Well, it certainly doesn't look half bad. Bring it on!

sceptic · 4 Jun 2009, 09:43 (Ref:2475228)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIRE

With BTCC introducing the Next Generation Touring Car in 2011. For fun I made a list of 5 cars I want to see on the grid:

1. Vauxhall/Opel Insignia
2. Ford Mondeo
3. Volkswagen Passat
4. Honda Accord
5. Toyota Avensis

The Insignia, Accord, Passat and Avensis are all too narrow for the rules. ...unless they run with crazy wheel arches

steve_r · 4 Jun 2009, 09:46 (Ref:2475230)

Would love to see Alfa's, Audis, Mitsubushi's and Subaru's banging doors with the Vauxhalls and Fords etc.

The more the merrier really.

**FIRE** · 4 Jun 2009, 10:06 (Ref:2475241)

Quote:

Originally Posted by sceptic

The Insignia, Accord, Passat and Avensis are all too narrow for the rules. ...unless they run with crazy wheel arches

Really?

touring fan01 · 4 Jun 2009, 10:13 (Ref:2475248)

Quote:

Originally Posted by sceptic

The Insignia, Accord, Passat and Avensis are all too narrow for the rules. ...unless they run with crazy wheel arches

I think you may need to read the rules more thoroughly. The rules say the width of the cars will be standardised so that they all run to the same 1875 width. The Accord for example is 1840 wide, so it would be increased to 1875 which is only about an extra 1.5 inches....so less than a two inch width increase doesn't mean "crazy wheel arches"! Same goes for all the other cars you stated, they are all within only a couple of inches of the 1875 so widening them will be hardly noticeable.

helterskelter · 4 Jun 2009, 11:16 (Ref:2475281)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valker

Here you go: http://www.delta.fi/Etusivu/Henkil%C...5/Default.aspx

I've never seen that car! It shouldn't be in production in Italy. Here's the Fiat Italia showroom

**touringlegend** · 4 Jun 2009, 11:34 (Ref:2475293)

I assume the cars would have to be on sale in Britain though.

stedevil · 4 Jun 2009, 11:57 (Ref:2475303)

Quote:

Originally Posted by touringlegend

I assume the cars would have to be on sale in Britain though.

I guess that depends on if other TCC adapt the same rules. Likely 1 eligible in 1 country will be granted participation in another (like eg local homologation between BTCC and STCC cars are today).

crmalcolm · 4 Jun 2009, 15:58 (Ref:2475406)

Quote:

Originally Posted by touringlegend

I assume the cars would have to be on sale in Britain though.

IIRC, it wasn't the case with BTC-T rules.
The Integra DC-5 was never a UK model I think and was still eligible.

Hazard · 4 Jun 2009, 17:31 (Ref:2475443)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

IIRC, it wasn't the case with BTC-T rules.
The Integra DC-5 was never a UK model I think and was still eligible.

This has been changed since, so only a car available can be developed.

My list (without doing much research):

Vauxhall Insignia
Renault Laguna
Ford Mondeo
SEAT Exeo
Mazda 6

crmalcolm · 4 Jun 2009, 20:59 (Ref:2475546)

Has the requirement for UK available sales come into force with S2000 rules?
IF so, it might be relaxed under NGTC?

duke_toaster · 4 Jun 2009, 21:54 (Ref:2475587)

There isn't a UK sale rule for Super 2000 - cars can either be FIA homologated or BTCC nationally - the BTCC and Swedish TCC have an agreement to share a list of national homologations. I'm not sure if the 320si was offered in the UK.

If other series were to adopt NGTC, it wouldn't be a good idea to box teams in that way - Vauxhalls and Opels would probably need different homologations, when the only part that is different between the two road cars is the badge.

crmalcolm · 5 Jun 2009, 05:58 (Ref:2475765)

If I'm understanding it correctly, and I guess it will be in the regulation details, under NGTC cars that aren't available in the UK/EU will still be eligible for use under the rules?

nickyf1 · 5 Jun 2009, 08:31 (Ref:2475824)

Quote:

Originally Posted by sceptic

The Insignia, Accord, Passat and Avensis are all too narrow for the rules. ...unless they run with crazy wheel arches

Is that not the point anyway? No cars will perfectly fit the rules.. I doubt the wheel arches will be anything like BTC-T, Gow wasn't incharge of that era.

Id like to see..

Vauxhall Insignia or Cavalier concept
Honda Accord
SEAT Exeo
VW Passat/Skoda Variant
Volvo S60

Midweek Motorsport seemed very sceptical about these regs, BUT, I think that these regs will be adopted by other series, much like the 2 ltr formula of the early nineties, which triggered supertouring.

snowen250 · 5 Jun 2009, 08:33 (Ref:2475825)

Does anyone else think that we will be seeing cars a bit like this:

Although with FWD not RWD as permitted in the speed tourers.
Simon

duke_toaster · 5 Jun 2009, 09:27 (Ref:2475855)

I'd imagine they are more akin to a mixture of BTC-T and the SEAT Leon Supercopa cars.

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