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Historic Sportscar Racing - Race 4 - The Finale at the Rock

Welcome another running of the Historic Sportscar Racing Series for the GT2 platform. This series is in its seventh season, and has been my favourite GT2 series. The cars are incredibly competitive and we have been lucky enough to have some of the best drivers, and closest competition around.

Many drivers in the past have chosen to drive multiple cars, with multiple nicks. Feel free to do so here, but just clearly mark what your alter-nick?will be so nobody is confused.



Perhaps GT4 will see the historic cars added again, and hopefully with an even greater selection

Past Champions

Season 1 - Soccerboy - Datsun 240Z
Season 2 - Fogelhund - Lotus Europa
Season 3 - Didi - Lotus Elan
Season 4- Fogelhund - Camaro
Season 5 - Didi - Lotus Elan
Season 6 - Fogelhund - Camaro

The Racing prepared Class
Rover Mini 1275 Mark 1
1964 Lotus Elan S2
71' Datsun/Nissan 240Z
Lancia Stratos
Lotus Europa
83' Mazda RX-7 GT-Turbo
86' Toyota MR2 1600G-Limited
71' Nissan Skyline
68' Toyota 2000GT
Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evo
66' Shelby GT350
69 Camaro Z28
67' Corvette Stingray
82' Corvette Stingray
71' Lotus Elan S4

Note The administrative staff reserves the rights to modify options available on the cars should certain marques be too far ahead, or behind the other cars. These modifications, will only happen after the second race, and will be enforced for the balance of the schedule.


All cars in the Racing prepared class come equipped with;
Racing Bodies
Any Tires (except where noted)
Full Suspension Modifications
Full Brakes Modifications
Full Drivetrain Modifications

Introducing the cars


Rover Mini 1275 Mark 1
239 hp, 1543lb...to be raced as is from the dealership

1964 Lotus Elan S2
All engine/power options can be purchased from the dealership
210 hp 1252 lb

1971 Lotus Elan S4
All engine/power options can be purchased from the dealership
210hp 1362lb

71' Datsun/Nissan 240Z
NA Tune Stage 2
Port & Polish
Engine Balance
Displacement
Semi-Race Muffler
263hp 1985lb

Lancia Stratos
Racing Muffler
NA Tune Stage 2
Engine Balance
Port & Polish
Performance Chip
273 hp 1924 lb

Lotus Europa
Engine Balance
Turbo Stage 2
Port & Polish
Semi-Racing Muffler
Performance Chip
237hp 1432lb

83' Mazda RX-7 GT-Turbo
Performance Chip
Engine Balance
Stage 1 turbo
Racing Muffler
Port & Polish
Intercooler Stage 1
2003lb. 257hp

86' Toyota MR2 1600G-Limited
Performance Chip
Port & Polish
Engine Balance
Stage 3 Turbo
Sport Muffler
2063 lb 266hp

71' Nissan Skyline
Racing Muffler
Stage 3 Turbo
2162lb 305hp

68' Toyota 2000GT
Turbo Stage 2
Port & Polish
Engine Balance
Sport Muffler
2250lb 296hp

Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evo
Turbo Stage 2
Racing Muffler
308hp 2447lb

66' Shelby GT350
Performance Chip
Sport Muffler
2388lb. 325hp

69 Camaro Z28
Racing Chip
Stage 3 NA Tune
Racing Muffler
Port & Polish
2888 lb 418hp

67' Corvette Stingray
you must use soft tires
No Engine modifications
2888lb 433hp

82?Corvette Stingray
NA Tune Stage 3
Engine Balance
Port & Polish
351hp 2854lb.


There is no limit to the number of drivers choosing the same car

General Guidelines and Rules

We expect everybody to race cleanly, and within regular OLR guidelines. The series, including any protests or time inquiries is being run under granturismo.com race guidelines. If you are not familiar with these, please read the OLR FAQ at granturismo.com http://forum.granturismo.com/showth...?threadid=46235

Lack of knowledge of rules is not an excuse to break them.


While this is not a dex certified series, you should be prepared to defend your times with a detailed RTI (I'll give you a format), and in extreme cases, we might require some type of save. While I would like to believe that everybody is honest, a select few have proved me wrong. I generally run most of the cars at each track that is run, and have a pretty good idea of what is possible. I would not recommend trying to pull a fast one here, you will be spotted.

There will be random requests for a detailed RTI, or dex save. The placements of these random RTI will be determined before the start of each race.

I am looking for a couple of volunteers who are PAL users, who can check DEX saves, for those who prefer DEX over RTI.

Save your runs I would highly recommend that you always save your fastest runs, so that you can provide details later on.

You must have two wheels on something paved at all times. This includes the curbs, rumbles strips and the two paved sections on the inside of the curbs at Rome Night. For the purpose of this series, if you can see more than two wheels off the track from the above replay view, the time is invalid. ANY touch of any wall, guardrail, building.. regardless of how hard will rule a time invalid.


Scoring
Our point system is based on the system that NASCAR uses

1. 175
2. 170
3. 165
4. 160
5. 155
6. 150
7. 146
8. 142
9. 138
10. 134
11. 130
12. 127
13. 124
14. 121
15. 118
16. 115
17. 112
18. 109
19. 106
20. 103
21. 100
22. 97
23. 94
24. 91
25. 88
26. 85
27. 82
28. 79
29. 76
30. 73 and so on........

Submission format

If you live in North America please use SpeedvisionGT2@netscape.net only for time submissions.

If you live outside of North America... Europe, Australia... please both e-mail and Private Message me your time submissions.

This is to prevent e-mail delay problems experienced in the past particularly from our European friends.

Please submit only using the prescribed format at each event.

At minimum ie.

Fogelhund
Camaro
Midfield

Total Time

Sector 1
Sector 2
Sector 3
Sector 4

Top Speed

Schedule






Race 1 - Clubman SR5 Reverse
Race 2 - Apricot Hill - June 9th, 12 Noon Eastern Standard Time
Race 3 Grand Valley Reverse - June 16th, 12 Noon Eastern Standard Time
Race 4 Red Rock Valley Reverse - June 23rd, 12 Noon Eastern Standard Time





All races are your fastest lap in Time Trial, unlimited runs.
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Old 18 Jun 2003, 02:31 (Ref:635105)   #2
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Driver Car Race 1 Race 2 Race 3 Points

1st Pumpkin Head Mini Cooper S 175 175 142 492
2nd Fogelhund 69' Chevrolet Camaro 170 160 160 490
3rd krtlex 67' Chevrolet Corvette 142 155 175 472
4th Rennsport Addict Lotus Europa 165 170 134 469
5th krt917 Shelby GT350 150 150 146 446
6th HareTurtle 69' Chevrolet Camaro 155 146 138 439
7th GTV27 Shelby GT350 160 121 130 411
8th Green Eggs and Ham Toyota Starlet 127 165 115 407
9th GTV28 69' Chevrolet Camaro 124 103 165 392
10th GTV26 67' Chevrolet Corvette 109 115 150 374
11th JuanDon Lancia Delta Integrale 121 124 124 369
12th JaFa 71' Lotus Elan S4 115 127 112 354
13th D Lancia Stratos 142 170 312
14th psonefreak Lancia Delta Integrale 91 91 103 285
15th onedragondude 71' Nissan Skyline 88 88 100 276
16th Dionysis 69' Chevrolet Camaro 118 155 273
17th woodruffj_350 Shelby GT350 134 138 272
18th woodruffj_67' 67' Chevrolet Corvette 130 130 260
19th Dennis Kaira Lotus Europa 134 118 252
20th woodruffj_240Z Datsun 240Z 138 109 247
21st Lee Janotta Lancia Stratos 146 100 246
22nd sillytron Shelby GT350 112 127 239
23rd woodruffj_82 82' Chevrolet Corvette 118 106 224
24th rocket Shelby GT350 97 121 218
25th skynrd 69' Chevrolet Camaro 97 106 203
26th General Trail Toyota MR2 94 109 203
27th BodySnatcher Shelby GT350 112 112
28th VeeDub 71' Nissan Skyline 106 106
29th racer69 Mazda RX7 103 103
30th Mux Shelby GT350 100 100
31st SlipZstEm 71' Nissan Skyline 94 94
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Old 18 Jun 2003, 02:39 (Ref:635112)   #3
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Going into this final race at Red Rock REVERSE, we have some fascinating battles for the final standings in the championship. Up front, it looks like a battle between Pumpkin Head in the Mini against Fogelhund in the Camaro. Whomever comes out ahead of the other at the Rock will take the championship.

For 3rd in the championship, rookie krtlex in the hard charging 67' Vette has passed the Lotus Europa of Rennsport Addict. The Europa has been known to be strong at the Rock in the past, and krtlex certainly has his work cut out for him, if he wants to stay on that final podium position.

5th and 6th are also very tight, with krt917 & Hare Turtle, seperated by just 4 points.

Any of the positions 7th through 13th also seem to be up for grabs, with the possibility of people moving up 4 or more positions with a strong finish to the season.

Good Luck, and have fun, most importantly, make sure you are going in the REVERSE direction.
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Old 18 Jun 2003, 03:00 (Ref:635121)   #4
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Green Eggs and Ham first to the track in the little Toyota Starlet, with a 36.6 Sector 2 @ 150.2mph.
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Actual point standings, after woodrufj corrections from race 3.

Driver Car Race 1 Race 2 Race 3 Points

1st Pumpkin Head Mini Cooper S 175 175 142 492
2nd Fogelhund 69' Chevrolet Camaro 170 160 160 490
3rd krtlex 67' Chevrolet Corvette 142 155 175 472
4th Rennsport Addict Lotus Europa 165 170 134 469
5th krt917 Shelby GT350 150 150 146 446
6th HareTurtle 69' Chevrolet Camaro 155 146 138 439
7th GTV27 Shelby GT350 160 121 130 411
8th Green Eggs and Ham Toyota Starlet 127 165 112 404
9th GTV28 69' Chevrolet Camaro 124 103 165 392
10th GTV26 67' Chevrolet Corvette 109 115 150 374
11th JuanDon Lancia Delta Integrale 121 124 124 369
12th woodruffj_67' 67' Chevrolet Corvette 130 130 109 369
13th JaFa 71' Lotus Elan S4 115 127 106 348
14th woodruffj_82 82' Chevrolet Corvette 118 106 115 339
15th D Lancia Stratos 142 170 312
16th psonefreak Lancia Delta Integrale 91 91 97 279
17th Dionysis 69' Chevrolet Camaro 118 155 273
18th woodruffj_350 Shelby GT350 134 138 272
19th onedragondude 71' Nissan Skyline 88 88 94 270
20th Dennis Kaira Lotus Europa 134 118 252
21st woodruffj_240Z Datsun 240Z 138 109 247
22nd Lee Janotta Lancia Stratos 146 100 246
23rd sillytron Shelby GT350 112 127 239
24th rocket Shelby GT350 97 121 218
25th skynrd 69' Chevrolet Camaro 97 100 197
26th General Trail Toyota MR2 94 103 197
27th BodySnatcher Shelby GT350 112 112
28th VeeDub 71' Nissan Skyline 106 106
29th racer69 Mazda RX7 103 103
30th Mux Shelby GT350 100 100
31st SlipZstEm 71' Nissan Skyline 94 94
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The Europa is moving along at 155mph here down the front straight, and carrying a huge amount of speed out of the final corner. Can D, Dennis Kaira or Jafa get up and give the Europa some company here? Is there a darkhorse in one of the Vettes who can challenge? The rest of Team Fogelhund has been left eating dust.
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The Europa is moving along at 155mph here down the front straight, and carrying a huge amount of speed out of the final corner. Can D, Dennis Kaira or Jafa get up and give the Europa some company here? Is there a darkhorse in one of the Vettes who can challenge? The rest of Team Fogelhund has been left eating dust.
Gotta love typo's... that would be nearly 165 mph.
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Hmmm too many replies to myself.

Pedalled the Mini to a S2 of 36.2 @ 153mph.

Theoretically, there is another .14 second left for the whole lap, but we'll have to decide whether that is worth going after on another day.
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It was with a heavy heart that Fennec Racing withdrew it's entry from the Grand Valley round of the championship. "We just couldn't afford it." stated chief mechanic Teryaki. "Those overseas rounds cost too much, and we blew the championship at Apricot Hill. It's a shame too, Lee's always been fast at Grand Valley."

The team at this time intends to compete in their home event at Red Rock Valley. "We cancelled the transporter lease, so I'm going to have to drive the car to the track." driver Lee Janotta stated. "The car was fast in pre-season testing, hopefully we can get a good result, and maybe impress some new sponsors for next season."
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--Late Breaking News from Red Rock Valley--

team GTV sector 2 times

'stang 37.877 @ 253.79 km/h
Z28 37.664 @ 261.75 km/h
'vette 36.842 @ 278.11 km/h

team GTV is also now treating this season as a development exercise and looking to the next season

team principal Gran Turismo is reported as saying "if we hadn't hired so many slack arsed damn drivers and spread our efforts across three piles of junk, then maybe we would've had half a chance - I need a drink" He was last seen storming off to the hospitality suite to raid the mini-bar.

team GTV drivers are reporting again consulting with their managers and legal representatives to see if a liable case would stand up (unfortunately, the times they have been posting is prima facie evidence to the contrary)

the drivers now hope to trim a bit more time buy adopting the strategy of "drive it like you stole it" as the concept of mechanical sympathy has suddenly been abandoned

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sec2 time for the stang 37.625 @ 257.21km/h or 160.75mph
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Fogelhund has the Camaro at 36.3 @163mph. The car has another 4 tenths potential for the overall lap, which would put him ahead of Pumpkin Head's potential. For now, the Camaro lags the Mini by just a bit less then 1/10th of a second. The battle for the championship will go down to the wire here.
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--Breaking News--

Team GTV drivers GTV27 and GTV28 hav found that attacking the course with complete disregard for the machinery pays dividends.

GT350 36.708 @ 256km/h
Z28 39.294 @ 266.63km/h

However the penalty for this approach is that both cars and now completely stuffed, and will go no faster.

GTV26 tried the same approach in the Vette, but found that it bit back...HARD...and consequently found no more speed (but found the walls a number of times).

Drivers were last seen grabbing anything not nailed down, and heading off the the hotel with the grid girls - Team manager is reportedly not amused, but reasonably happy with the times. Was last seen posting a notice:

For Sale

Mustang, Camaro and Corvette
Only driven gently on weekends
For tender as is, where is
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Signing off from Red Rock Valley
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Europa is done, as are the rest of the cars. I tried to get a perfect lap in the Europa, but couldn't get it. I've left off about 3 tenths in the last two sectors, but thankfully had a perfect S2 at 34.8.
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Hey Foge, could you give me a hand on gearing? I've got no grunt coming through the last corner, just when I need it. Plus, the car's getting really squirrely under braking. Whatcha think? Diff adjustment?

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Lee, you should be coming out of that last corner without lifting at all. My fastest speed was 134mph coming out, but 129- 132 is average. You won't need to do much at all with the gears except lower the final drive to get to top 164mph.

Brakes - brake only in a straight line and only twice on the track. Except for those braking points, never lift.

I tried variuos setups and it didn't help, the car is just squirrely. Fast though if you can put one together.
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Have just managed to get a couple of hours in between essays (how's your work going Lee?).

Managed a 36.26 with the Stingray, but can't get the Mustang sorted - have done a 37.1. Potential is there, but not the time (thought I could use that excuse this week!) Reckon you've got me this time GTV!
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I'm not lifting, Foge. But at that point, the engine's lugging low in 5th gear, or bouncing off the rev limiter in 4th. So I've got no power, and lose too much speed as I fight to keep the rear end in line.

I'm just not that good at qualifying because I've always judged my braking point as "2 feet deeper than the guy in front of me."
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Hey Lee, sorry I couldn't help more with the gearbox tuning.

Are you submitting a time?
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Nah, I was up in the 1:16s on Friday, and haven't had time to do any more tuning. I'm going crazy trying to prepare myself for this comp. religions midterm at 2.

Sorry Foge... Hopefully next time I'll be able to hang around for the whole thing.
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