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9 Mar 2007, 12:45 (Ref:1862290) | #1 | |
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Two litre touring cars to return to Australia in 2009???
As revealed exclusively in Sydney's Daily Telegraph newspaper today (Friday), Subaru Australia has publicly revealed that major national importers are discussing a new two litre touring car championship for Australia. This is being promoted because there is a no high profile championship presently available to manufacturers to compete in.
Further to the Daily Telegraph's report, it can also be revealed exclusively here that the category being considered is the international FIA Super 2000 rules (with national homologation cars accepted). This is based on the successful model used in Britain, Sweden and Denmark. |
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sounds interesting, would be great to see if it could take off only time will tell if this is going to be a popular move
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9 Mar 2007, 13:04 (Ref:1862309) | #3 | ||
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The 2 Litre cars are now more relevant in today's society than they were last time they ran here. If more than a couple of Manufacturers become involved then watch out V8 Supercars. Many more young people drive these cars now than V8 Holden and Fords.
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9 Mar 2007, 13:15 (Ref:1862317) | #4 | |
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that's good! the btcc is booming once again with the rule change to s2000
bmw 320 - wtcc bmw 1 series - btcc seat leon - wtcc chevy lacetti - wtcc honda accord euro - wtcc/stcc honda civic type r - btcc audi a4 - stcc volvo s60 - stcc alfa 156 - wtcc peugeot 407 - wtcc 2005/dtc vauxell vectra - btcc ford focus - wtcc 2005 that's all i can think of which are current s2000 cars.. not many that are that relevant for australia |
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9 Mar 2007, 14:17 (Ref:1862356) | #5 | ||
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I think a 2 Litre category would be very popular - maybe VESA should implentment this new category into the current V8SC category and run both series side by side rather than up against each other.
Imagine the record crowds - people there to watch the V8s and the 2 Litres. Also it will give the drivers a chance to race in both series |
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iconic, I took the liberty to update your list with the ones I could think of right away: bmw 320 - wtcc bmw 1 series - btcc seat leon - wtcc chevy lacetti - wtcc honda accord euro - wtcc/stcc honda civic type r - btcc audi a4 - stcc volvo s60 - stcc alfa 156 - wtcc peugeot 407 - stcc vauxell vectra - btcc ford focus - stcc mercedes c-class - stcc renault megane - dtc citroën xsara - dtc toyota corolla - procar proton impian - atcc (asian) |
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Would be great to have a WTCC round in Australia. |
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Mr Kershler wrote the artle on P15 of the Carsguide section in between scribing his story about the Premier League bowls on P88 of the same paper...
.. anyhow... what has been reported is a 'wish' of Mr Senior of Subaru, suggesting that this category would be the underling to V8Supercars, a support act, and not the headline. In all seriousness, would a manufacturer plough money into a non headline series, for a similar running cost to operate a V8Supercar? And does this idea of a series for 2 litre cars then preclude participation from Holden and Ford as their family inheritance is being spent on the main series instead? I think this story might be better filed in the "wish list" filing cabinet rather than on the 'gunna happen' pile Unfortunately |
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9 Mar 2007, 23:00 (Ref:1862692) | #10 | |
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They were looking at Sandown I believe, but wasn't Sandown going into retirement yes?
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Are people saying the inception of a 2.0L category is great because:
- of comments in other threads, doubting Ford's long term viability as a manufacturer in this country? - or do people want other makers involved to inject more $$$ into the sport? - or are people just sick of V8SC and want something different? |
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However, if we look at say BTCC, STCC, DTC and so on are all fairly "spread out" championships with lots of small indie teams which a new works team most likely outpreform much easier, and thus get more exposure. If you're on the top you'll be seen - if you're on TV that is! How about broadcasting the race as a buildup to the V8's? 50km isn't a long race! Lastly, not all manufacterors have a big chunky V8 sedan in their lineup (well almost none of them!), and even if they do they might want to sell shopping cars (which is what s2000 touring cars is now days)! Just my 2 cents |
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I'd love to see more manufacturer backed racing in this country but in all reality I just can't see it happenning. They'd be better off trying to all get behind GT Performance and raising the profile of that series somewhat.
There are far too many usless categories in this country diluting the pool as it is. |
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I pray for this sort of thing to happen, but since I don't believe in an interventionist god...
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As for the cost, well I am staggered at some of the build / run costs that are freely discussed for V8. A fair lashing of bull**** IMHO, generate a buzz when you say a $400,000 for a silhouette car. These things live for ever (just ask Cam McConville), sure there will be pain as some players ARE heavily invested but in general?? The main issue is to get more manufactures in, if Ford sponsor 4 cars, Holden 4, Toyota 4, BMW 4 and a couple of 2 car manufacture supported cars plus the "non-factory" cars you have a much more sustainable industry. Hard to spot the losers really ...... oh yeah, what was a L1 worth It will happen, when is the question. Last edited by marcus; 10 Mar 2007 at 00:39. |
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Having read the comments in the courier mail this morning it seems that Mr Senior has asked around and has been given a vote of confidence by other manufactures wishing to return and or remain in motorsport. I also wish to see a return but not to the detriment of the classes we already have. Maybe a series whereby the 2ltr's have a very good support catorgory including all those shuned by tc & co.....opening another avenue for up and comers to showcase themselves, furthering oversea opportunities, instead of using the v8's as their motorsport benchmark.... I certainly think a seperate series could survive and be supported without becoming a undercard...however it's all wishful thinking at this stage. Lets see how popular the Bathurst 12hr is at easter to guage if a seperate series could survive... |
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out of the list there are only 6 solid full works that i am aware of bmw 320 seat leon chevy lacetti audi a4 vauxell vectra proton... (a disgrace in btcc) alfa is going GT racing honda don't seem to be interested as with peugeot |
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Can you imagine a 260 hp 2 liter weezing up mountain straight.
We've been down this road before, forget it. S2000 is now running at about 4 million euro per car per season. |
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BTW Subaru do support other classes available iconic, Honda are in just not at the WTCC level, they have S2000 in the BTCC now. Likewise Peugeot,they are in Swedish, Danish and French National series. Also Volvo in semi-works So the only one not in the Aus market is Seat. Quote:
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I would love to see a return to S2000 racing in Australia...But what really worries me is not the cost but realistically how much money is left in Australia to put into motor racing in Oz...
The cars are there and I suspect there will be quite a few manufacturers that would enter it at the start, but could the independants be wooed over from other areas... then what happens to the other motorsport catagories...in a dream life, the others would reevaluate to create real amature and feeder motorsport ladder in Australia... And I agree that V8 supercar tech is ancient (not so much ancient as useless platform of technology and marketing for most other manufacturers) plus I am not sure that V8SC wants other manufacturers...kinda ruins the whole Ford v Holden thing they have going...so if others want to compete in Touring Cars, this would make the most sense. |
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Interesting that it is Subaru seemingly leading the charge. Do they even sell a car suitable for Super 2000? |
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bring it on and sell to TEN as they are the home of motosport
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