MAXXX...how did CAMS vote?

[Nero]

So with the usual passing nod to democracy, Maxxx seems to be with us for long enough to cause more discomfort. My interest however is knowing how CAMS voted...anyone know?
Given the recent sporting personality fiasco's such as Sam Newman and various footballers, it would be a shame if we supported Maxxx

[Uncle Cranker]

Nero.
CAM$ will do what they are very good at, pandering to their masters.

Not in 100 years would they have enough spine to vote against Max the Hun lover.

[inpitlane]

According to AAP CAMS voted against Max.

[cptkablamo]

The Australian AAA are one of those threatening to split if what I have heard is correct...

[inpitlane]

Correction, It was the AAA that voted against Max, according to the ABC, CAMS has refused to say how it voted (they should, members deserve to know) but the World Today had an interview with Colin Osborne where he was effusive in his praise for Commandant Mosley.

[davelise]

I don't remember them asking their members?

[cavvy]

In what forum does CAMS address its members?

[davester]

Originally Posted by cavvy

In what forum does CAMS address its members?

Their main communication is sending you a subscription renewal each year. You get a say however...Cheque, Savings, or Credit.

[MPA]

CAMS never asked me either..

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Ponderous.

[inpitlane]

Originally Posted by davelise

I don't remember them asking their members?

None of the voting clubs anywhere in the World asked there members AFAIK. If organisations like CAMS had to ask their members for their opinions on every matter even less would be done than is done now.
However having made a decision to vote one way or the other CAMS should at least inform it's members on exactly what way the voted on their behalf so that members can make an informed decision on their own votes when necessary.

[stoned pony]

Does anyone really care?

[inpitlane]

Originally Posted by stoned pony

Does anyone really care?

Tony Cochrane and V8 Supercars care, Phil Branagan from Motorsport eNews cares, I'm sure that many sponsors and Government agencies that deal with the sport care as well.
CAMS is representing it's members they are not there for themselves, I mean what deals may have been done to ensure the votes? Has Max promised CAMS anything in respect of either the Australian Grand Prix, the Aussie round of the WRC or both.
Were any promises made to assist certain CAMS board members to get cushy Paris based jobs?
I hate to sound like a journalist but the truth is always important and CAMS just isn't telling it.

[stoned pony]

"Tony Cochrane and V8 Supercars care" Well maybe they would like to expain a few things to us. But they never do, do they?
So Mosely is a flip. So is most the British upper class.

[Wrighty05]

I care!

[PVDA]

I hear that Mosley is being brought before the Commission again as it's been discovered that the belts he was tied up with were out of date

[touring fan01]

In reality, as the vote was won by a huge majority then the way CAMS voted did not make any difference either way. If the vote had been close, then I would have liked to have known if their vote swung it either way....but as it clearly didn't, then I really don't care.

[inpitlane]

Originally Posted by PVDA

I hear that Mosley is being brought before the Commission again as it's been discovered that the belts he was tied up with were out of date

Nice One

[browney]

Is someone able to explain to me a bit about how CAMS works/why they don't have to say how they vote?

Do CAMS have a board that is voted for by members/license holders, who pay rates?

Obviously these people don't/shouldn't get a direct say in how CAMS vote but if there is a CAMS board representing members, then they should have to say how they voted. So then members can choose how they vote for board members (ie. you don't get a say in the decisions your parliment makes but you do get to vote them in/out if you do/don't like them).

[inpitlane]

I'm indebted to Geoff Harris at Carpoint.com for the link to this one. British journalist Tom Rubython has been a bete noir of Max, Bernie and the rest of the rouges gallery that make up the FIA and FOCA for several years. In this excellent profile of Max's rise to power he also manages to unveil the pivitol role that our very own John Large played in handing Bernie the F1 rights for 100 years at a bargin basement price.
Far be it for me to speak ill of the dead so I'll let Tim do it for me:

“...at the annual FIA General Assembly meeting on 8th October 1999, Mosley replaced himself at the negotiating table with a four-man negotiating team consisting of Rosario Alessi, president of the Automobil Club d’Italia; Michel Boeri, president of the Automobile Club de Monaco; Otto Flimm, president of the Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil-Club; and John Large, honorary president of the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport. Mosley handpicked them to represent the FIA. Other than Boeri, all were in Mosley’s pocket and two of them had less than stellar reputations. Alessi was facing allegations of financial impropriety in Italy and Large was regarded as a “scoundrel” in his native Australia. Astonishingly the FIA General Assembly was persuaded by Mosley to give the four men “power to close the deal with the full authority of the FIA”.

For the full story, head over to Sports Pro and ask yourself why it is important to know how CAMS voted on Mosley and what may have been in it for them or their representive and the man who replaced Large, Garry Connelly.

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by inpitlane

I'm indebted to Geoff Harris at Carpoint.com for the link to this one. British journalist Tom Rubython has been a bete noir of Max, Bernie and the rest of the rouges gallery that make up the FIA and FOCA for several years. In this excellent profile of Max's rise to power he also manages to unveil the pivitol role that our very own John Large played in handing Bernie the F1 rights for 100 years at a bargin basement price.
Far be it for me to speak ill of the dead so I'll let Tim do it for me:

For the full story, head over to Sports Pro and ask yourself why it is important to know how CAMS voted on Mosley and what may have been in it for them or their representive and the man who replaced Large, Garry Connelly.

Thats a fair old read isn't it.

[PVDA]

Bloody hell.

Looks like the FIA is worse than CAMS

Certainly interesting reading.

[NewsStalker]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Bloody hell.

Looks like the FIA is worse than CAMS

Certainly interesting reading.

You're only just realising this? I think this has been mentioned before - but ask youself just WHO organised the F1 drivers strike of the 1970's (then maybe you will realise what the FIA let itself in for when Mosley got elected...)