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Old 12 Oct 2008, 19:53 (Ref:2310443)   #1
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Anyone else think Massa is getting cocky?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71365

His penalty was undeserved, Hamilton's penalty was deserved and Bourdais penalty was also deserved
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Old 12 Oct 2008, 19:56 (Ref:2310448)   #2
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Those comments are only to be expected from Ferrari and its employees.

As for him being cocky? Hmm, I'd say he was probably one of the least self-assured drivers out there.
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Old 12 Oct 2008, 22:24 (Ref:2310585)   #3
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Once briefed by the spin doctors of Ferrari/FIA after incidents he does come across as cocky or maybe just plain gullible (in repeating the rubbish he's been told). He was the same after the unsafe release in Valencia claiming Sutil should have let him pass in the pitlane as he was 'nearly' a lap down anyway.

I like Massa pre races but he should either keep quiet after a dodgy incident/FIA ruling or just grunt and mumble at the microphones like his team mate does.
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Old 12 Oct 2008, 22:32 (Ref:2310591)   #4
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He was born cocky.



Don't you think ?
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 02:54 (Ref:2310689)   #5
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Massa actually seems quite respectful to the other guys out there.

Just because he didn't think he should have got a penalty and two other drivers deserved theirs does not make him cocky.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 03:28 (Ref:2310701)   #6
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thats right on point
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 04:54 (Ref:2310749)   #7
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Massa generally seems quite unpleasant, although he is undoubtedly blinkered in these situations that benefit him.

The guy was adamant he deserved the Spa win it seems, so please don't expect any degree of sanity on these matters.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 07:33 (Ref:2310835)   #8
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Up until this year, I would have said Massa was a perfectly honorable and humble driver. Now I think he's just been blinded by the prospect of winning the championship. Cocky? I don't know, I think all drivers are, but I've certainly lost a lot of respect for him this year,
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 07:43 (Ref:2310847)   #9
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Cocky might not be the right word.

Check his post-race statement http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...8/10/8518.html

I'm not sure I can find right words without using ****
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 11:45 (Ref:2311106)   #10
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I can't believe this guy ! How come to say that ?
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 12:21 (Ref:2311159)   #11
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He's obviously got a higher opinion of himself and his importance to the world than most of us do. He's probably right about Lewis being over-aggressive at the start, but this impression that he feels that slower cars should get out of his way regardless of how he tries to pass them is pretty infuriating. Bourdais and Webber have much stronger CVs outside of F1, nepotism has helped Massa reach the top, and this year he's lucky that Raikkonen seems disinterested.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 12:50 (Ref:2311189)   #12
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Surely the most appropriate answer would be "for sure"
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 12:56 (Ref:2311191)   #13
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He's obviously got a higher opinion of himself and his importance to the world than most of us do. He's probably right about Lewis being over-aggressive at the start, but this impression that he feels that slower cars should get out of his way regardless of how he tries to pass them is pretty infuriating. Bourdais and Webber have much stronger CVs outside of F1, nepotism has helped Massa reach the top, and this year he's lucky that Raikkonen seems disinterested.
Yep this is exactly it. I really do quite like him, but that's completely arrogant to feel that others should move over as they're slower. This is the point of racing. There will always be quicker and slower cars. Your job is to find a way past!!!

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Old 13 Oct 2008, 13:31 (Ref:2311230)   #14
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Not cocky. Delusional, maybe, or probably just the sole resident of Planet Massa, where things are happening differently to those on earth.
Probably, though, he's just a mouthpiece for Planet Ferrari.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 13:36 (Ref:2311235)   #15
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No, I don't think he's cocky at all.

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I completely disagree; I think he comes across as a pleasant guy.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 13:39 (Ref:2311238)   #16
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 13:43 (Ref:2311244)   #17
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He's alright, a lot better than some of the other prima donnas around him.

Unfortunately, occasionally, he has days of absolute madness and yesterday was one of them.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 13:57 (Ref:2311262)   #18
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Massa cocky?

Even if Massa tries harder to be cocky, he'd still be lagging behind Hamilton in this aspect.

Massa isn't the first one in F1 history who fails to have the ability to see himself making a mistake.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 15:04 (Ref:2311304)   #19
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I think Fisichella is cocky.

He re-signed with Force India ! Humpfh !!!
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I guess the view from the field would be worth a bit.

Among recent quotes I have heard Kubica say that in his heart he wanted Massa to win the WDC and Alonso recently said he would do everything he could to help Massa win.

I guess if he was as cocky as some think the comments from his fellow drivers would be more akin to the constant complaints made against TBF.
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I completely disagree; I think he comes across as a pleasant guy.
That should have said pleasant! My bad.

He has been quite irritating of late though with his fervent backing of crazy FIA decisions. I know he's benefitting but even he must surely see that things are a little odd.
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Ah, I thought you might've meant that, but couldn't be sure.

I suppose if he wasn't seen to be backing the FIA decisions, and he wins the championship by less than the points he's gained from the despicable stewards' decisions, it would be akin to an admission that he isn't the true champion.
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Old 13 Oct 2008, 20:09 (Ref:2311522)   #23
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I think the duel that followed with Hamilton was hard but fair
Fair is punting someone off, Cocky - maybe, arrogant - yes

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and the drive-through really penalized my race.
Whats it meant to do, help?

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Cocky - maybe, arrogant -definately
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...Alonso recently said he would do everything he could to help Massa win.
I think I find that more unpleasant than any of Massa's quotes. Let's face it, Felipe wasn't exactly going to own up to his reckless (I'll give him the benefit) challenge on Lewis nor was he going to own up to the crass error with Sebastien, was he.......?
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Cocky - maybe, arrogant -definately
Nah, just silly.

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Doesn't this guy realise by now that his way into Ferrari is to keep driving well, because his comments/behaviour off-track aren't the way to go about endearing yourself to a team?
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