Hillclimb Leaders Champ Protest

[wi11iamm]

Does anyone know who is protesting who or what in the Leaders championship?

[DaveK]

Will

1st place , i'll leave you to guess whos protested

Dave

[wi11iamm]

Well i know Adam and Phil tied on points? Im guessing Phil protested.....??? but on what grounds.

Thanks

Will

[DaveK]

Equal Points Equal records It then goes iirc to next worst score. Phils next worst was a 1st whereas adams was a 2nd however phils 1st was 4 points i think due to a low class number.
This is all my own supposition so it may be wrong.
Dave

[wi11iamm]

Ah ok thanks.

[Jedi088]

I think the leaders championship is probably harder to win than the British Hillclimb championship it's nearly always a very close result from a wide spread of classes .

[wi11iamm]

Yer but I think it depends entirely upon what class you are in. The standard of competition varies significantly from class to class.

[Paul Ranson]

The regs state that a tiebreak will resolved in this sequence,

a, The next result(s) will be counted.
b, The number of class records will be counted.
c, The number of best places will be counted.
d, The competitor who scored his Championship points first will be deemed the winner.

Should none of these methods be effective the Championship Organiser will specify the method to reach a solution.

So I presume Phil and Adam are discarding 1sts but Phil's is deemed to be worth less?

Paul

[mcb666]

So which one wins?

[Stuart Hill]

Originally posted by mcb666
So which one wins?

a good question!!!

[blackx]

Put the trophy on a table..

Sit one 20ft to one side and one 20ft to the other..

Drop the flag and see which one gets to it first.



Ooooh I like these new smilies..

[james_williams]

I am sure Tony Fletcher will come up with a fair method of resolving this one. Always a shame when there is a protest though!

[Jedi088]

So which class do you think is easy wi11iam .It's got to be well supported so you don't end up with reduced points awarded for a win and if it's well supported you can be sure it will be competitive also you compete against non championship competitors on their local hills. Phil and quite a few others have been trying to win this championship for years

[DaveK]

Poorly supported classes cost me 7 points in the leaders this year.
That was the difference between coming 5th and 3rd overall.
Behind Phil/adam who broke 8 records I was next on 3 records, so it does matter greatly if you are aiming to win the championship on class size.

Dave

[wi11iamm]

Originally posted by Jedi088
So which class do you think is easy wi11iam

I never implied that any class was 'easy,' however it is obvious that the standard of competition varies significantly from class to class, whether it be down to the car/driver or engine. For example whilst Phil has had an amazing season and truly deserves his position in the leaders championship there have been few challengers in his particular class, again whether it be down to the car/driver or engine.

[james_williams]

Yes, certainly Phil has had his own way in the 1600cc class and I can only marvel at the times he has put in this year. (Fortunatley I am not easily offended!) However, the 1600 class has been well supported this year and has turned out some good numbers.
Both chaps have worked and driven very hard this year for the championship and they both deserve it. Like I say, just a shame it has come down to a protest

[Jedi088]

Maybe thats what makes it so hard to win, you only need one challenger to take points off you.(Did Adam have any competition after GWJ retired mid season) With the majority of rounds counting there is little opportunity to drop scores if you make a mistake or have a mechanical gremlin or even if the weather is not in your favour then you are playing catchup and hoping your rivals have similar trouble.So whatever happens don't let work get in the way and take the family on a winter holiday.

[Steve Wilkinson]

Has this been resolved yet?

Personally I think Phil Cooke shot himself in the foot by not going to Doune.
He would have won the class, admittedly without breaking the class record, but would have had an additional class win to his name to help in the tie-break.

Ho Hum

[DaveK]

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Has this been resolved yet?

Personally I think Phil Cooke shot himself in the foot by not going to Doune.
He would have won the class, admittedly without breaking the class record, but would have had an additional class win to his name to help in the tie-break.

Ho Hum

Yes Final results were issed last week , With Adam 1st.

I think the protest was always going to fail, it was just a way of making feelings known about how the points were issued, as i don't think Phil would have actually gained any points from going to Doune as there weren't enough class nos, all he would have gained was a 1st place, which as it turns out cost him the championship
FWIW why is a FF1600 not classed as a 1600cc racing car for class points purposes ?

Dave

[Mr Shed]

Dave
I suppose it must be nice to have something to protest

[Steve Wilkinson]

Suppose the problem is a hillclimb thing! Maybe they think the road based tyre is too big an advantage in the wet?

On the flat we give 'em there own class to play in!

In Scotland if you turn up with a Kent engined FF1600 they put you in the 1100 Racing Car class, which is why they don't do hills with an FF1600 in Scotland!