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24 Jul 2002, 22:09 (Ref:342001)
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Ford giving Jag 12 weeks to get it right!
Daily F1 is reporting that officials at the top of Ford, the world’s second biggest carmaker, are putting pressure on Jaguar-Racing and its overseeing Premier Performance Division to turn it into competitive runner amid growing concerns in Detroit that the team is becoming a burden because of its failure to perform.
Nick Scheele, Ford CEO, has contacted Richard Parry-Jones, Boss of Premier Performance, demanding an action plan for the team. ‘I have given Richard Parry-Jones 12 weeks to tell me what we have to do to fix it to become podium material,’ Scheele told the Autoweek journal. Here is the complete article: http://www.dailyf1.com/en/news/news.php?id=1832 I hope this threat, er request has a positive effect on Jag and that if what they need to get to the podium is $$$$$, they get it. |
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24 Jul 2002, 22:18 (Ref:342003)
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Its about time, hopefully this will make Jaguar up their performance.
Nothing against Jaguar, but they have not been anything special since they formed. Ford gave them a lot of help supposedly, but its good to see that they're starting to turn on the heat. So Hopefully this will make Jaguar a better team |
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24 Jul 2002, 22:25 (Ref:342005)
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Re: Ford giving Jag 12 weeks to get it right!
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24 Jul 2002, 22:47 (Ref:342028)
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1. Hire Webber and Frentzen as drivers.
2. Send Lauda packing, beg Rahal to come back. 3. Use the money saved from getting rid of Irvine to allow Rahal to hire soon-to-be-ex-Arrows technical staff. 4. Take a complete clean-sheet approach to the car, save for the engine and gearbox. Last edited by Lee Janotta; 24 Jul 2002 at 22:49. |
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24 Jul 2002, 23:26 (Ref:342062)
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They need Stewart or Rahal back... they need more money... hell, they just need a better design team or whatever for their car. Frentzen's performances in the Arrows show that the Cosworth isn't a bad engine - the Jaguar chassis is the big big problem - not to mention two so-so drivers...
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24 Jul 2002, 23:37 (Ref:342072)
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 I think that I suggested Stewart a long time ago. Basically, the present management knows how to apportion blame - to everyone else. However, they have no problem solving expertise. Valve 
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24 Jul 2002, 23:37 (Ref:342073)
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hey Lee, why can't PDLR be there...?
I'm Catalan you know 
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25 Jul 2002, 00:35 (Ref:342093)
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Pedro's decent... Webber and Frentzen are just a better combo, in my opinion. He hasn't done anything that's really impressed me except be slightly faster than Irvine, which is not a great accomplishment.
I just see both Webber and Frentzen as more desirable. I can understand the nationalistic bias, though... I _really_ had to suppress the urge to throw in an American driver instead of Webber.
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25 Jul 2002, 00:53 (Ref:342101)
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Not Andretti, surely
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25 Jul 2002, 01:08 (Ref:342105)
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Get rid of Lauda and Irvine. Lauda cannot manage anything, Irvine should retire to let some young chargers into the team.
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25 Jul 2002, 01:08 (Ref:342106)
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Gah! Don't even suggest that, VB!!!
No, the young guns we've got. Pat Long, Paul Edwards, Phil Giebler, AJ Almendinger... These guys are F1 caliber, and being that Ford started out in the US, and is still regarded as an American company, that they bring up at least one of these guys as one of their stars for the near future. They won't make it otherwise, despite how much they deserve it. Last edited by Lee Janotta; 25 Jul 2002 at 01:12. |
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25 Jul 2002, 02:07 (Ref:342124)
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2) You betcha! 3) Cool idea! 4) The only logical solution! Lee, if only Ford were to read this. Sadly, I don't see how Jaguar are supposed to turn it around in 12 weeks. Heck, they have three years of bad design, mis-management and shallow hype to live down. Ford should just prop up Arrows , put a big blue oval on the airbox and pull the plug on Jaguar. |
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25 Jul 2002, 02:14 (Ref:342126)
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25 Jul 2002, 05:18 (Ref:342152)
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Lauda should go back managing his airliner
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25 Jul 2002, 07:53 (Ref:342212)
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Hopefully this gives Jaguar the boot up the backside they need. I agree they need some big changes around the place - I think Webber and Nick Heidfeld would be perfect, both are young, fairly experienced at top level motorsport, and could both win races. Lauda has to go, sadly he hasn't cut the mustard, Rahal would be good, but he can hardly come back after being axed. What is wrong with JYS? He'd be good I think, but of course, he is not getting any younger these days. Irvine gone means they can finally get a good windtunnel and work on the abysmal at best aerodynamics on the R3. The engine is good luckily.
Jag CAN win Grand Prix races. They aren't. They need change. This is one of the first steps, at the moment, they are tainting a famous name. |
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25 Jul 2002, 08:20 (Ref:342224)
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25 Jul 2002, 08:29 (Ref:342235)
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Lauda Air still exists, but Niki has nothing to do with it I believe.
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25 Jul 2002, 08:47 (Ref:342260)
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He was sacked from Lauda air...
As I understand it, the 12 weeks refers to the amount of time they have got to come up with a plan. So maybe we'll see some progress after 12 weeks! I've got a plan. Scrap the F1 team (or give it to Stewart - if he wants it!) and enter sportscar racing. That seems like the best way to get podiums. |
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25 Jul 2002, 09:49 (Ref:342281)
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25 Jul 2002, 11:19 (Ref:342324)
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I would like to see Wurz in there instead of Frentzen however! Absolutely agree with everything else however. |
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25 Jul 2002, 15:58 (Ref:342533)
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25 Jul 2002, 16:22 (Ref:342549)
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Given their record so far, I'm not sure they'd even be able to identify the problems in 12 weeks, much less come up with a plan to solve them.....
I really hope they can turn this mess around- the Jaguar name has a huge motorsports heritage, and I hate seeing it dragged through the mud in this way- like AdamAshmore said,if they can't fix it soon, it would be far better to call time on the F1 team and take the name back to sportscars where it really belongs anyway...... |
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25 Jul 2002, 16:38 (Ref:342569)
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I think this is all a little unfair Jaguar started the season on the back foot after using a wind tunnel that wasn't properly calibrated and gave false information (so I hear) since then they opted to wait for there own wind tunnel to come online before testing any new aero packages. Since developing the new aero pack and using it at silverstone they were unable to do any real testing before silverstone and have only started to make ground at france!
You can't blam any of that on Lauda his had his hands full keeping the team together (after the start of the season there must have been a few people looking to jump ship) his managed to employ a good aero guy from renault and are starting to get the team moving. Another change of manager would mean a possible change in direction with regards to management stratergy. As for possible team changes I agree with getting some new talent into the car such as webber and fretzen and with arrows troubles the german fretzen could be good choice for Jaguar publicity in the german car market |
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25 Jul 2002, 17:10 (Ref:342596)
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I'm really divided into Lee's suggestions and EERO's.
Benny, if I do not look in the qualification sheets before each race, I would forget completely that there's a Jaguar team in the grid ! 
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25 Jul 2002, 17:17 (Ref:342602)
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Really, to see how the Stewart SF3 was a car capable of top 3 in both qualifying and races and how they have undone it all...
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