Piquets win the case

GORDON STREETER · 7 Dec 2010, 21:36 (Ref:2801097)

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/071220...ce-fixing.html
But will it make him a race winner ?

nea · 8 Dec 2010, 00:28 (Ref:2801153)

No.

Lancsbreaker · 8 Dec 2010, 00:42 (Ref:2801158)

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Originally Posted by nea

No.

Which is what Piquet should have said when instructed to crash.......

nea · 8 Dec 2010, 00:46 (Ref:2801159)

Indeed. F1 can do without his kind.

E.B · 8 Dec 2010, 04:56 (Ref:2801197)

Maybe he can now use his court 'winnings' and buy himself a drive....

....... Preferably in NASCAR.

Asa · 8 Dec 2010, 06:45 (Ref:2801210)

So Group Lotus' investment in Renault is for paying this "substantial" compensation to the Piquets?

**Bononi** · 8 Dec 2010, 11:46 (Ref:2801340)

Wait for more... this is just the beginning.

Super Hans · 8 Dec 2010, 12:04 (Ref:2801351)

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Originally Posted by nea

Indeed. F1 can do without his kind.

So Piquet Jr gets involved in unsavoury incident of cheating and is then ostricised from F1 for life and suffers derision from F1 fans. Teflonso meanwhile continues as if nothing ever happened.

strider · 8 Dec 2010, 12:21 (Ref:2801358)

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Originally Posted by nea

Indeed. F1 can do without his kind.

Don't worry, there is not a snowball's chance in hell of Piquet ever making it back to F1, but he could still have a successful career in other forms of racing. He is a much better driver than he was ever given credit for on here.

Peat · 8 Dec 2010, 12:23 (Ref:2801359)

Piquet reveals all: http://en.espnf1.com/renault/motorsp...ory/36028.html

Kind of feel sorry for the guy. Flavio really broke his spirit.

Still, don't think he is worth a second shot.

morninggents · 8 Dec 2010, 13:30 (Ref:2801397)

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Originally Posted by strider

Don't worry, there is not a snowball's chance in hell of Piquet ever making it back to F1, but he could still have a successful career in other forms of racing. He is a much better driver than he was ever given credit for on here.

I don't think he is.

morninggents · 8 Dec 2010, 13:35 (Ref:2801401)

...............and his character is obviously flawed if, by his own admission, he is prepared to crash to influence a race result - orders or not.

I'm surprised he wasn't banned for life or that he gets any drives in any formula.

chillibowl · 8 Dec 2010, 15:33 (Ref:2801468)

young men make mistakes and this one certainly had a lot of pressure on him applied by some rather unsavory characters. he paid the price for his mistake (really the only one to do so) so i have no problem with him getting a second chance returning to F1 (provided he can find a drive) or finding a drive elsewhere.

and really if Flav can come back why not the kid who got burned by him. If Alonso can walk around and claim a fraudulent win as his own, why is that jr. is the one who has to bare the shame of it?

strider · 8 Dec 2010, 15:47 (Ref:2801477)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

young men make mistakes and this one certainly had a lot of pressure on him applied by some rather unsavory characters. he paid the price for his mistake (really the only one to do so) so i have no problem with him getting a second chance returning to F1 (provided he can find a drive) or finding a drive elsewhere.

and really if Flav can come back why not the kid who got burned by him. If Alonso can walk around and claim a fraudulent win as his own, why is that jr. is the one who has to bare the shame of it?

Very well said!

morninggents · 8 Dec 2010, 15:55 (Ref:2801485)

Well who was it who crashed?

vintage · 8 Dec 2010, 15:55 (Ref:2801486)

Hi Chillibowl I think you are right on one guy taking the blame. The team should have been disqualified and then you know what might have happened with the points, Massa would have been World Champion makes you think dont it.

Super Hans · 8 Dec 2010, 16:00 (Ref:2801490)

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Originally Posted by vintage

Hi Chillibowl I think you are right on one guy taking the blame. The team should have been disqualified and then you know what might have happened with the points, Massa would have been World Champion makes you think dont it.

It's impossible to guarantee that Massa would've won had Piquet not crashed.

Super Hans · 8 Dec 2010, 16:42 (Ref:2801522)

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Originally Posted by morninggents

Well who was it who crashed?

Piquet Jr did, obviously. But he was a young man. If I was 23 and new to F1, chances are I'd pretty much do as I was told. Particularly if the man giving the instructions had the power to make or break my career.

I can't condone what Nelsinho did, but I don't agree with him being branded for life over one mistake.

nea · 8 Dec 2010, 18:00 (Ref:2801570)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

So Piquet Jr gets involved in unsavoury incident of cheating and is then ostricised from F1 for life and suffers derision from F1 fans. Teflonso meanwhile continues as if nothing ever happened.

This was a thread about Piquet. And at least Teflonso didn't put fans, marshalls and other drivers in danger. Not directly, anyway.

**Bononi** · 8 Dec 2010, 20:07 (Ref:2801637)

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Originally Posted by vintage

Hi Chillibowl I think you are right on one guy taking the blame. The team should have been disqualified and then you know what might have happened with the points, Massa would have been World Champion makes you think dont it.

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

It's impossible to guarantee that Massa would've won had Piquet not crashed.

He wouldn't. Remember his disastrous pit stop... Ferrari would screw his race, anyway.

strider · 8 Dec 2010, 22:58 (Ref:2801727)

You need to read this, which is Piquet's account of what happened.

No doubt the usual cynicism on here will strike, but I for one find it credible.

GORDON STREETER · 8 Dec 2010, 23:30 (Ref:2801738)

I quite see it from Piquets side but I don't condone it.
Over the years I have personally seen a few rouge team bosses in different formula's from the "inside" that the rest of the world think are marvelous !
No doubt if we were "flies on the wall" there are quite a few about, however Flav seems one of the most obnoxious big time candidates IMHO.

strider · 8 Dec 2010, 23:39 (Ref:2801742)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

Piquet Jr did, obviously. But he was a young man. If I was 23 and new to F1, chances are I'd pretty much do as I was told. Particularly if the man giving the instructions had the power to make or break my career.

I can't condone what Nelsinho did, but I don't agree with him being branded for life over one mistake.

Very fair summary. Don't forget also that Nelson Sr was not the easiest of fathers to have in the background.

Super Hans · 8 Dec 2010, 23:54 (Ref:2801748)

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Originally Posted by nea

This was a thread about Piquet. And at least Teflonso didn't put fans, marshalls and other drivers in danger. Not directly, anyway.

I've never accepted the argument that Piquet put people in danger. I believe it is within the ability of an F1 driver to stage a 'safe' accident.

strider · 9 Dec 2010, 00:14 (Ref:2801755)

Not only that but those who instructed him to stage the accident deliberately chose a place where neither he nor (more importantly) anyone else would be put at risk.

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