Porsche in GT

NaBUru38 · 15 Dec 2017, 14:53 (Ref:3787261)

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/moto...3-r-14620.html

2018 FIA WEC

#91 Gianmaria Bruni, Richard Lietz (+Frédéric Makowiecki in LM24)
#92 Michael Christensen, Kévin Estre (+Laurens Vanthoor in LM24)
#93 Patrick Pilet, Nick Tandy, Earl Bamber (LM24 only)
#94 Timo Bernhard, Romain Dumas, Sven Müller (LM24 only)

2018 IMSA WeatherTech Championship

#911 Patrick Pilet, Nick Tandy (+Frédéric Makowiecki in NAEC)
#912 Earl Bamber, Laurens Vanthoor (+Gianmaria Bruni in NAEC)
Patrick Long and Christina Nielsen (Wright GTD)

2018 Intercontinental GT Challenge
+ 2018 Blancpain GT Series Endurance Cup

#911 Dirk Werner, Romain Dumas, Frédéric Makowiecki

2018 ADAC GT Masters

Kévin Estre, Timo Bernhard (Team 75)

2018 24H Nürburgring

#911 Earl Bamber, Laurens Vanthoor, Kévin Estre, Patrick Pilet.
#912 Romain Dumas, Frédéric Makowiecki, Richard Lietz, Nick Tandy.

Brendon Hartley (F1), André Lotterer (FE + LMP1), Neel Jani (FE + LMP1) and Jörg Bergmeister (porably IMSA GTD) continue as Porsche factory drivers.

Wolf Henzler is out.

Victor_RO · 15 Dec 2017, 15:01 (Ref:3787263)

Henzler is out as a factory driver, but it looks like he's still with Porsche as a driver coach for juniors who will race in Carrera Cup Germany: https://twitter.com/PorscheRaces/sta...52385953910784

**PascaLM** · 20 Dec 2017, 06:11 (Ref:3788259)

What is this for ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsKStob3Cwc

Akrapovic · 20 Dec 2017, 08:02 (Ref:3788276)

Looks like the Cup car. Assuming they're trying to break it because that's a lot of abuse!

**PascaLM** · 20 Dec 2017, 10:40 (Ref:3788297)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Looks like the Cup car. Assuming they're trying to break it because that's a lot of abuse!

Yes, if they eat the kerbs in this way, it's for the Carrera Cup. It's surprising to see turbocharged engines (now on production cars) in the Cup and atmo engines in WEC. The magic of regulations...

pafe · 21 Dec 2017, 16:16 (Ref:3788551)

Thats a very strong GT lineup for Porsche. Will be interesting to see what comes around in the end.

NaBUru38 · 27 Dec 2017, 15:39 (Ref:3789335)

2018 Bathurst 12 Hours

#911 Dirk Werner, Romain Dumas, Frédéric Makowiecki (Manthey)
#88 Earl Bamber, Kevin Estre, Laurens Vanthoor (Craft-Bamboo)

airbusA346 · 27 Dec 2017, 16:31 (Ref:3789343)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

2018 Bathurst 12 Hours

#911 Dirk Werner, Romain Dumas, Frédéric Makowiecki (Manthey)
#88 Earl Bamber, Kevin Estre, Laurens Vanthoor (Craft-Bamboo)

The press release I've seen, says the Craft-Bamboo car will be #991 not #88.

NaBUru38 · 29 Jan 2018, 15:02 (Ref:3796632)

2018 Rolex 24 at Daytona:

#912 Earl Bamber, Laurens Vanthoor, Gianmaria Bruni: 6th in GTLM class (+9 laps)
#911 Patrick Pilet, Nick Tandy, Frédéric Makowiecki: 8th in GTLM class (+30 laps)

#73 Park Place: 18th in GTD class (+77 laps)
#58 Wright: 19th in class (+86 laps)
#59 Manthey: DNF

canaglia · 29 Jan 2018, 15:39 (Ref:3796641)

Really disappointing week-end for GTD porsches

Victor_RO · 29 Jan 2018, 16:32 (Ref:3796649)

And a crazy stat according to Graham Goodwin on Twitter: first time since 1963 that no Porsche has been on the podium in ANY class at Daytona.

**joeb** · 29 Jan 2018, 18:12 (Ref:3796674)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

And a crazy stat according to Graham Goodwin on Twitter: first time since 1963 that no Porsche has been on the podium in ANY class at Daytona.

Wow, that is indeed a crazy stat! I guess there has always been a class where the 911 could be competitive in the past.

Spyderman · 30 Jan 2018, 11:51 (Ref:3796841)

Such a disappointment.

Spyderman · 30 Jan 2018, 12:46 (Ref:3796856)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

Wow, that is indeed a crazy stat! I guess there has always been a class where the 911 could be competitive in the past.

So much for BoP!

Mike Hedlund · 30 Jan 2018, 17:41 (Ref:3796938)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

So much for BoP!

Doesn't have anything to do with BoP.

Look at the fastest laps from the race, they're #2 -- .005 behind the #51 Ferrari.

It's the driver lineups.

-mike

Spyderman · 30 Jan 2018, 18:17 (Ref:3796948)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Hedlund

Doesn't have anything to do with BoP.

Look at the fastest laps from the race, they're #2 -- .005 behind the #51 Ferrari.

It's the driver lineups.

-mike

Im not referring to the GTD class Mike.
The GTLM fastest lap times were half a second off

**Adam43** · 30 Jan 2018, 19:48 (Ref:3796972)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

So much for BoP!

Even ignoring Mike’s valid point about what actually happened, this fundamentally does not mean BoP isn’t working.

It makes this kind of result likely. All cars should be balanced to have an equal chance. So, as Porsche do not make up a large part of the grid it is entirely possible they miss out on a podium in both classes.

You should be arguing that pre-BoP Porsche generally built and ran better cars hence the long run of success they had. In which case, as a Porsche fan, the exclamation should be

Thanks a lot BoP!

Mike Hedlund · 30 Jan 2018, 20:04 (Ref:3796977)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Im not referring to the GTD class Mike.
The GTLM fastest lap times were half a second off

Woops, sorry! I always think GTD first then everything else after. :-)

-mike

Spyderman · 31 Jan 2018, 11:39 (Ref:3797137)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam43

Even ignoring Mike’s valid point about what actually happened, this fundamentally does not mean BoP isn’t working.

It makes this kind of result likely. All cars should be balanced to have an equal chance. So, as Porsche do not make up a large part of the grid it is entirely possible they miss out on a podium in both classes.

You should be arguing that pre-BoP Porsche generally built and ran better cars hence the long run of success they had. In which case, as a Porsche fan, the exclamation should be

Thanks a lot BoP!

I think you miss my point:
When Porsche built good cars, they did not need BoP.
Now the cars are old and feeble, they need BoP.
What we can see is that the Balance that Bop is supposed to provide is not there.

WolfsburgRS · 31 Jan 2018, 15:22 (Ref:3797183)

I don't think it has to do with the fact the cars are 'old' or of a poor design per say. I think much of their past success is just a a numbers game. Back then, if you wanted a factory built race car you basically had a Porsche or you had nothing. The grids were packed with Porsches and if you have 15 911s versus 2-3 M3s and a couple random whatevers, simply by the numbers the Porsches had a better chance to win or podium.

**Adam43** · 31 Jan 2018, 20:35 (Ref:3797267)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

I think you miss my point:
When Porsche built good cars, they did not need BoP.
Now the cars are old and feeble, they need BoP.
What we can see is that the Balance that Bop is supposed to provide is not there.

I think I understand what you were saying. However it’s nice of you to underline and bold a word to help me.

My points included, and I presume you have missed this

, one that was the same as one you say here. Porsche made good cars and won when there was no BoP. I think that as you repeated what I said indicated I didn’t really miss your point.

Then my second point, which is more general and not specific to this year, is that if there is true balance then Porsche have as good a chance of not being on the podium as any other manufacturer. So you may have to cope with this next year. Even if they get the BoP right.

Spyderman · 1 Feb 2018, 11:52 (Ref:3797418)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam43

I think I understand what you were saying. However it’s nice of you to underline and bold a word to help me.

My points included, and I presume you have missed this

, one that was the same as one you say here. Porsche made good cars and won when there was no BoP. I think that as you repeated what I said indicated I didn’t really miss your point.

Then my second point, which is more general and not specific to this year, is that if there is true balance then Porsche have as good a chance of not being on the podium as any other manufacturer. So you may have to cope with this next year. Even if they get the BoP right.

Not really - If there is a true balance, they stand as much of a chance as anyone. They have a professional team with good drivers, so the chances are the same. If you are referring to the number of cars...well, they are entering 4 factory cars for Le Mans.
Anyway - I'm not going to get riled up over GTE

**joeb** · 1 Feb 2018, 18:26 (Ref:3797516)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Not really - If there is a true balance, they stand as much of a chance as anyone. They have a professional team with good drivers, so the chances are the same. If you are referring to the number of cars...well, they are entering 4 factory cars for Le Mans.
Anyway - I'm not going to get riled up over GTE

You both said the same thing. He said you have a 50% chance of getting tails and you said, no you have a 50% chance of getting heads!

NaBUru38 · 5 Mar 2018, 13:42 (Ref:3805918)

2018 ADAC GT Masters

Team75 Bernhard - Timo Bernhard / Kevin Éstre
Team75 Bernhard - Klaus Bachler / Adrien de Leener
Team Ring Police - Lucas Luhr / Jan Erik Slooten
Precote Herberth Motorsport - Robert Renauer / Mathieu Jaminet

NaBUru38 · 5 Mar 2018, 14:44 (Ref:3805955)

2018 Super GT

D'station: Sven Müller / Tomonobu Fujii
Gulf NAC: Rintaro Kubo / Keishi Ishikawa

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