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19 Sep 2002, 20:01 (Ref:384351) | #1 | |||
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Finally Official: Carpentier to remain with Player's
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19 Sep 2002, 20:05 (Ref:384353) | #2 | ||
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"It WILL BE made official." That's what he's been saying since Montreal.
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19 Sep 2002, 20:10 (Ref:384358) | #3 | ||
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If Carpentier says it's true and discusses it, I'd consider that pretty official.
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19 Sep 2002, 20:52 (Ref:384392) | #4 | ||
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He said that at Rockingham (I heard him on the TV). I hope it's true.
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20 Sep 2002, 01:44 (Ref:384535) | #5 | ||
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Patrick won't leave CART. The IRL don't run in Canada.
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20 Sep 2002, 02:37 (Ref:384548) | #6 | ||
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You see, we do have SOME redeeming qualities up here!
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20 Sep 2002, 05:40 (Ref:384596) | #7 | ||
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Canada has many redeeming qualities. In just the context of racing; the fans are passionate about their racing (Champ Cars, F1) and they have produced some exceptional open wheel pilots such as Villeneuve (Jr and Sr), Carpentier, Tracy, Tagliani, and Greg Moore. (My appologies to those I have missed.) Players and Molson have been strong supporters of the series.
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20 Sep 2002, 06:11 (Ref:384606) | #8 | ||
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I'd say that winning a few races this year was a good career move!
Off-topic, yet not really, is that I read earlier today that Villeneuve considers himself "on the market" as of 2004. Seems he's decided to drive for BAR next year, and after that he's allowing himself to be thrown to the sharks. From the article: When asked whether Villeneuve would definitely be driving for BAR next year, Richards said: "I'm as sure as I can be that that's the case, yes." Well, so much for that. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Sounds like he turned down a $50 million dollar contract so as to avoid but a single season in CART. In a way, and I know it's a terrible thing to say, but I hope it all backfires on him and he's driving sports cars in a year. http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=20657&s=5 |
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20 Sep 2002, 11:21 (Ref:384741) | #9 | ||
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"As sure as I can be" sounds like "not sure at all" to me. DR doesn't want him and thinks he's a drain on the team, so even if he does drive next year he's not going to be the fair haired boy of yore.
Since Jacques believes that the numbers on his paycheque indicate his true worth, what does that say about his value in 2004? (Of course, maybe Gerry can get him for a lot less than $50 mil in 2004, yes?) |
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20 Sep 2002, 17:20 (Ref:384925) | #10 | ||
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Guys like Gerry are just what CART needs, putting together a real Canadian superteam, any one of whom could challenge for the 2003 crown.
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Now that Players have been forced to pull out of sponsorship, I wonder if it's the end of Canadian driver development as we know it. I know Michael Valiante has shown promise, but most likely, he will soon hit roadblocks with regards to financing further career growth?? Too bad no Canadian company has stepped up to replace Players or to replace them at some meaningful level?
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20 Sep 2002, 18:20 (Ref:384974) | #12 | ||
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Not yet anyway. But remember that Players used to sponsor the Air Canada Grand Prix of Montreal. And a lot of people said that nobody would be found to take their place.
The real difficulty in Canada is that most of the large companies are owned by multinationals, not by Canadians. |
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20 Sep 2002, 18:27 (Ref:384982) | #13 | ||
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Labatts used to sponsor a lot of racing. Now they're Belgian.
Why not Molson? Or have they blown their budget on the Maple Leafs? |
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20 Sep 2002, 18:31 (Ref:384985) | #14 | ||
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They sponsor 3 races as title sponsors, that's quite a lot.
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20 Sep 2002, 18:33 (Ref:384987) | #15 | ||
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D'oh! Totally forgot the name of the races.
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21 Sep 2002, 03:29 (Ref:385154) | #16 | ||
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Bombardier's a possibility...although it would be easier in that case for the Canadian govt to sponsor Cart directly...(never mind, it's a Canandian political thing). Anyway, it would be good to see anyone step up and replace Players.
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21 Sep 2002, 03:55 (Ref:385162) | #17 | ||
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Only the breweries have pockets anywhere near as deep as the tobacco companies. I think that Molson may well run a team next year, (obviously not Forsythe's), so when the tobacco money dries up Forsythe will need new sponsorship. But he's already said that things look good for a European sponsor for 2004 and beyond. I'm sure he's got something lined up, or else his drivers would have balked at multi-year contracts.
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21 Sep 2002, 03:58 (Ref:385163) | #18 | ||
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Actually, he's already said that he's in deep discussions with a replacement(s) for Player's. I also believe that a replacement for Players is a key part of the contract with Paul Tracy... so he's almost certainly prepared.
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...Which is surprising, actually. Given the fact that Forsythe is so much of an idiot, as Rush1 was kind enough to point out.
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21 Sep 2002, 05:09 (Ref:385182) | #20 | ||
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I am pleased to see Patrick getting to keep his ride. He's becoming one of my favorites(Being Ohio's favorite adopted son and all) and he'll be teammates with PT next year and that Player's paint sheme is pretty sweet. He ran around naked at Mid - Ohio but it was after I left. Thank the Lord. I don't like him quite that much. Now if Danica Patrick wins at Mid-Ohio in the Barber series next year....
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21 Sep 2002, 05:40 (Ref:385191) | #21 | ||
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Now that's how to market a product!
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24 Sep 2002, 17:38 (Ref:387428) | #22 | |||
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It's made a paper:
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HURRAH!
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Back to the sponsers...Bombardier did sponser one of the teams in the IRL a while back. I'm not sure if they do anymore. (I think it was Kelly Racing.) Bambardier is based in Canada and run by French-Canadians out of Montreal. They have their hand in a lot of things including snowmobles, jetSkis, aircraft, subways, as well as financing. They're very big. They are the fourth largest aircraft company in the world. That's saying something when you are in the company of Boeing, Airbus, and Lockheed-Martin. When I was working for them, there was a joke about them owning a few small third world countries.
With the international nature of CART it seems like a good fit. I don't know how that would compare to the depth of the pockets of Molson and Players, but then again, I'm sure they have some pretty deep pockets. |
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They were at Montreal with a display and got quite a bit of attention as I understand -- also had a number of drivers out doing demo runs on Sea Doos. I thought that was a hopeful sign.
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