Tobacco Advertisment

hamsmith · 31 Jul 2005, 12:01 (Ref:1368164)

I thought the EU tobacco advert band came into effect today(July 31st). Am I wrong? Hungary IS in th EU isn't it?

marcel82 · 31 Jul 2005, 12:08 (Ref:1368169)

some teams are just guessing... mclaren is running whitout tobacco adverts

Don K · 31 Jul 2005, 12:11 (Ref:1368170)

I think this rule was made before Hungary joined the EU.

So maybe they will adapt to this rule a little bit later.

hamsmith · 31 Jul 2005, 12:11 (Ref:1368171)

McLaren are running the usual non tobacco ads which the eu have warned againsted.

Autosport said they were parting company with west yesterday and would be running Jonny Walker today. I'm confused!

Kicking-back · 31 Jul 2005, 13:53 (Ref:1368225)

McLaren are not running the usual non-tobacco ads - those had Kimi and Juan Pablo in the West font.

The ones today are not in the West font.

McLaren no longer has a relationship with West.

Johnnie Walker was on the car today - as a secondary sponsor, as was always the plan.

The reason that brand didn't appear before now was because they didn't want to be on the same car as a tobacco brand.

**touringlegend** · 31 Jul 2005, 14:28 (Ref:1368258)

Notice McLaren had the full driver's name - Juan Pablo, then Montoya in red handwritten style letters - very similar from a distance in comparison to the West logo I guess.

Nicholosophy · 1 Aug 2005, 09:50 (Ref:1368896)

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Originally Posted by touringlegend

Notice McLaren had the full driver's name - Juan Pablo, then Montoya in red handwritten style letters - very similar from a distance in comparison to the West logo I guess.

I guess you have to be realistic though - we have seen the car styled similarly for many years so of course it's going to remind you of West.

In time they will build a new image that will suit I'm sure...

Oaksnaf · 1 Aug 2005, 10:00 (Ref:1368914)

Why ban tobacco, then allow alcohol. I know TV allow it. But Alcohol is far worse than tobaco in my opinion. Both tobaco and alcohol advertising should be banned in my opinion.

dsg · 1 Aug 2005, 10:09 (Ref:1368931)

Alcohol is fine in moderation, tobacco is not to you or anyone nearby.

naughtymutt · 1 Aug 2005, 10:15 (Ref:1368941)

Are the EU going to ban cars from taking part in motorsport events because of the amount of people they kill each year.

Oaksnaf · 1 Aug 2005, 10:17 (Ref:1368944)

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Originally Posted by dsg

Alcohol is fine in moderation, tobacco is not to you or anyone nearby.

1 smoke, 1 can whats the difference. Alcoholic, addicted smoker. Lung, liver, loss of $$$. Alcohol is a bigger problem when you become an alcoholic. And just as that 1 smoke can start you, 1 can might also.

Its very much an image problem and a peer group pressure problem which makes both cases worse.

Kicking-back · 1 Aug 2005, 10:21 (Ref:1368949)

It's an old debate - but tobacco is the only product that causes illness and death through being used as the manufacturer intends.

Alcohol and cars are only problems when they're abused.

Nicholosophy · 1 Aug 2005, 10:32 (Ref:1368961)

In the end, I don't think this discussion should be centered on the relative merits of banning tobacco sponsorship. That's been discussed over and over.

What is unknown is what F1's reaction is going to be over the coming months. We've seen McLaren's yesterday - what will other teams do for the next race?

Kicking-back · 1 Aug 2005, 10:34 (Ref:1368964)

Turkey is not in the EU, so any team with cigarette sponsorship - ie Renault, Ferrari, BAR and Jordan can run full fag branding.

Nicholosophy · 1 Aug 2005, 10:38 (Ref:1368974)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Turkey is not in the EU, so any team with cigarette sponsorship - ie Renault, Ferrari, BAR and Jordan can run full fag branding.

Was there not the issue of the Brittish law that came into effect as well? In regards to the British Teams, FOM etc? Or am I just confuzzled...

Raglanparade · 1 Aug 2005, 11:15 (Ref:1369012)

Everyones confused.

Some people are saying that Tobacco can run in Turkey ?

And others are saying that they can run, but if they run tobacco, they cant be shown on British TV ?

ss_collins · 1 Aug 2005, 11:52 (Ref:1369052)

does anyone have the exact wording of the law?

Raglanparade · 1 Aug 2005, 11:54 (Ref:1369054)

Nah

I just got the 'vibe'

ensign14 · 1 Aug 2005, 12:09 (Ref:1369072)

Tobacco can run on cars however they like.

However, under English law you can be proscuted for allowing baccy to be advertised on telly.

Unlikely that Italy would extradite Jean Todt, so the Fascists would go after Ron Dennis instead.

ss_collins · 1 Aug 2005, 12:10 (Ref:1369075)

or is it ITV who are at risk?

Kicking-back · 1 Aug 2005, 12:11 (Ref:1369076)

No. The broadcasters are safe, it's the teams who'd be at fault.

ss_collins · 1 Aug 2005, 12:56 (Ref:1369128)

wht is the exact wording of the law if it is simply

can be proscuted for allowing baccy to be advertised on telly.

then I would suggest that the broadcasters are not safe - neither are the production companies.

marcus · 1 Aug 2005, 16:16 (Ref:1369336)

its just a pity that Johnnie walker is a terrible drink

ensign14 · 1 Aug 2005, 17:04 (Ref:1369400)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ss_collins

wht is the exact wording of the law if it is simply

can be proscuted for allowing baccy to be advertised on telly.

then I would suggest that the broadcasters are not safe - neither are the production companies.

There are different provisions for advertising and sponsorship with different considerations for broadcasters. Bit complicated.

Rennen · 1 Aug 2005, 17:53 (Ref:1369449)

I asked the same question...and was told it was to do with where the teams were based...possible that means differant countries within the EU have their own legal deadlines?

So 'KB' racing cars are only dangerous when they are abused huh!

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