Heinz and Jos teaming up for Orange Arrows Red Bull?? (Merged)

steve nielsen · 2 Nov 2001, 16:24 (Ref:168848)

Now we don’t listen to rumours… but.

Planet F1 spy network working overtime.
02/11/01

One of Planet F1’s spies happened to be in the Leafield area yesterday when he chanced upon a well known F1 driver emerging from the Arrows HQ.

We can’t tell you who the driver is but we can say that he’s German and has a penchant for tobacco, lawsuits and baked beans.

Thanks Sam!
( www.planetf1.com )

It's been over two weeks after the Arrows-Red Bull deal was anounced ans still Enrique is'nt anounced as Arrows driver for next year, and now this??

did Red Bull finaly realise that if a driver can get results it's much better for the brandname??

jiggly_puff · 2 Nov 2001, 16:33 (Ref:168852)

oohhhh no but where will enrique go!!!!!!?????

facco · 2 Nov 2001, 16:41 (Ref:168861)

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Originally posted by jiggly_puff
oohhhh no but where will Enrique go!!!!!!?????

Isn't it true that Red bull is demanding that arrows keep Enrique?:confused:

jiggly_puff · 2 Nov 2001, 16:50 (Ref:168864)

hopefully!!!!!!

steve nielsen · 2 Nov 2001, 17:46 (Ref:168891)

Jos Verstappen already has a contract for next year, his personal sponsors(Lost Boys,TCC) have already resigned for next year. An the Red Bull deal was anounced 2 weeks ago, but Enrique still is'nt confirmed......

paulzinho · 2 Nov 2001, 22:27 (Ref:168997)

I think Enrique has been criticised unfairly, he outqualified Jos this year and I think he deserves a seat next year.

jiggly_puff · 2 Nov 2001, 22:50 (Ref:169019)

yeah...... too right enrique is good!

f1manoz · 3 Nov 2001, 01:16 (Ref:169155)

Enrique will probably keep his seat simply based on the fact Arrows have the Red Bull sponsorship. Without that, Enrique would be looking elsewhere for a drive.

Sadly, HHF will probably be stuck at Prost. Prost wants to keep the German, but it will depend on whether the French team can even get on the grid for next season.

Nicholas · 8 Nov 2001, 15:16 (Ref:171924)

HHF to Minardi???

facco · 8 Nov 2001, 15:24 (Ref:171932)

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Originally posted by nicholaswhite
HHF to Minardi???

Minardi would like that HHF drives for them... I don't get the arrows thing... HHF in there?
What could be worst?
Drive at prost and get paid only if you are in the points.
Drive at minardi and watch all the grid from the back at every race

Tristan · 8 Nov 2001, 22:39 (Ref:172213)

...or drive for Prost and see the black beauties glide off into the distance...

racer69 · 9 Nov 2001, 00:39 (Ref:172303)

Where will Enrique go............

Who cares.

EERO · 9 Nov 2001, 03:14 (Ref:172342)

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Originally posted by racer69
Where will Enrique go............

Who cares.

I don't, but I think a few the young women here care.

steve nielsen · 9 Nov 2001, 15:10 (Ref:172499)

Frentzen, the experienced German, is still assessing his future. He has committed to the Prost team, whom he competed for this year after being sacked by Jordan. But currently the Guyancourt stable’s future is uncertain while team owner Alain Prost scurries to find backers to help subsidise the $US30 million Ferrari customer engine contract for next season.

It is understood however that Frentzen is on a flexible deal with Prost, which could enable him to join Stoddart if the deal is right.

Some other sources suggest Dieter Mateschitz, the Austrian businessman, could also be trying to sign Frentzen to partner Jos Verstappen at Arrows. Mateschitz recently inked a new sponsorship deal with Leafield
(www.dailyf1.com)

Glen · 9 Nov 2001, 16:40 (Ref:172534)

I'm at a loss to see why Jos "The Boss" is not more admired in F1 circles. Although he was out-qualified 10-7 in 2001 by his team-mate, he consistently out-did Bernoldi in the races.

Although we do, of course, need to take into account Arrows' infamous "light fuel-load to grab the headlines" tactiics he did nonetheless perform far more overtaking moves than any other driver in 2001. If the teams are to believed and the difficulty of overtaking is one of the major factors holding them back surely this guy's record in that regard should make him hot property?

srinimax · 9 Nov 2001, 18:51 (Ref:172608)

i know. i seriously think that "the boss" can do a damn good job in one of the top cars. i even think he can kick dc's butt in a mclaren.

bernoldi kicked dc's butt in monaco in an arrows

**Bononi** · 9 Nov 2001, 20:44 (Ref:172685)

It's very hard to Prost keep Frentzen, and problably then, he will end up at a Minardi seat.

Unfortunately, a definetely downhill...

facco · 9 Nov 2001, 21:05 (Ref:172705)

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Originally posted by EERO

I don't, but I think a few the young women here care.

I just think that Bernoldi is a talented guy, as I think of Alonso as a future WDC, as I beleive that JPM will shine next year. BTW, The boss eyes kill me

, but I don't think of him as a "promise at F1" .

Bon, if HHF drove the Prost well, A minardi won't be that mess...

**Bononi** · 9 Nov 2001, 22:20 (Ref:172743)

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Originally posted by facco

Bon, if HHF drove the Prost well, A minardi won't be that mess...

Ok, Ok.. remember, A Williams, a Jordan, a Prost, a Minardi...

Downhill... sadly

I'm not putting down the team, but that's how drivers go.

When you're young, you can prove you have what it takes in a small team, just like Alonso.

Can you think that Frentzen can prove anything driving the same car ?

srinimax · 9 Nov 2001, 23:00 (Ref:172766)

whats next for h-hf ? carting fulltime at kerpen ?

steve nielsen · 10 Nov 2001, 05:34 (Ref:172838)

If he has the choice between Asiatech and factory supported Cosworths I don't think he'll go to Minardi.....

EERO · 12 Nov 2001, 01:24 (Ref:173489)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
If he has the choice between Asiatech and factory supported Cosworths I don't think he'll go to Minardi.....

Agreed, he's be mad to go to Faenza.

f1manoz · 12 Nov 2001, 08:50 (Ref:173546)

If HHF had a choice, surely he'd take the Arrows seat. It's got a factory backed engine, a well-designed car plus a capable team-mate if Verstappen is kept on.

Perhaps Walkinshaw can keep Red Bull by keeping Enrique as a test-driver, if they'd go for it?

Glen · 14 Nov 2001, 16:05 (Ref:174486)

This, and more waffle, from Formula1.com

Quote:

According to a recent report in German newspaper the Kölner Express, Heinz-Harald Frentzen is close to signing with Arrows for 2002.

Goes on to say nothing much new or original, however it does look ever more likely that Arrows will be the one for him.

The alternatives aren't great though, are they?
• Minardi (love them, but...) - career over.
• Prost - will they even make it?

Arrows could be ok though. Good engine. Good team-mate. Good team all-round.

What happens to Bernoldi?

**Bononi** · 14 Nov 2001, 18:48 (Ref:174591)

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Originally posted by Glen
What happens to Bernoldi?

Go back home...

But Red Bull is supporting him. They kart team for Granja Vianna was Red Bull's, and he said to the locals that he was close to maintain the seat... strange.

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