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14 Dec 2007, 15:56 (Ref:2088847)
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Can we still call F1 a sport?
Can anyone recall anything happening in f1 which might be described as sportsmanlike behaviour ?
If not, shouldn't we stop describing f1 as motorSPORT ? Any suggestions for a new term to describe it ? |
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14 Dec 2007, 16:17 (Ref:2088857)
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F*rr*r* benevolent racing series?
 contrived shiney fast back stabbing moneypit racing series?
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14 Dec 2007, 16:19 (Ref:2088859)
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Motornegativity? What do you mean by Sportsmanlike behaviour? Collins handing his car to Fangio? This was banned, the fans don't like it! Or maybe you mean something like Suzuka 1990? 
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14 Dec 2007, 16:20 (Ref:2088860)
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"Advertising Grand Prix" - where drivers compete to show off their sponsor's logos more than the next man
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14 Dec 2007, 17:05 (Ref:2088905)
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How about Motor Competition?
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14 Dec 2007, 17:09 (Ref:2088909)
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Only for about a hundred or so hours out of the year.The rest of the time it's just big business.
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14 Dec 2007, 18:53 (Ref:2088974)
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In what level of the category are we talking about ? Wheel to wheel down on the track ? Pitlane ? Press interviews ? PR talking ? Teams HQs ? The FIA court ?
F1 is business, there are drivers racing with cars... expensive cars covered with worldwide companies logos, manucfaturers involved, oil companies involved and all the big cats. It can't be a sport that way. |
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14 Dec 2007, 19:39 (Ref:2088994)
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But these drivers are still elite athletes!
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Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne? Here? In a women's prison? At three o'clock in the morning? With my reputation? Oh well, penal correctitude it is then.
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14 Dec 2007, 19:50 (Ref:2089002)
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It is both.
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14 Dec 2007, 19:50 (Ref:2089003)
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Well, fundamentally, it is a sport even if it is very hard to picture at times. Very hard indeed.
However, it has been this way for a hell of a long time and has to be dealt with. Sportsmanlike behaviour? We still have some of that I guess. |
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14 Dec 2007, 20:02 (Ref:2089012)
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for two hours, every fortnight or so, the business sometimes turns into a sport. Rest of the time, its a big business.
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14 Dec 2007, 20:10 (Ref:2089014)
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I'd say it remains both at all times.
Which aspect the various parties/people are "in it" for varies, but from the overall perspective it is certainly both at all times. |
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14 Dec 2007, 20:12 (Ref:2089016)
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Exactly.
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14 Dec 2007, 21:38 (Ref:2089060)
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MotorNotSport
MotorBusiness MotorFansWhatFans etc. etc. It (like other 'sports' such as football) are unfortunately businesses now. However, to witness the cars in the flesh is always awe inspiring regardless. I'm personally not bothered once there's actual overtaking and racing going on. For years there hasn't been and this needs to be redressed. Banning the tyre warmers is a great move and I can't believe the GPDA are moaning about this. Up until tyre warmers came in, getting cold tyres up to speed was a pivotal time of any race. Drivers these days are comparative wimps it seems... |
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14 Dec 2007, 21:48 (Ref:2089067)
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Drivers back in the day would've used them if they were available.
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14 Dec 2007, 22:06 (Ref:2089082)
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As others have said, it's both a sport and a business. Like most sports at the highest level.
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14 Dec 2007, 22:10 (Ref:2089087)
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Agreed completely.
But, wouldn't it make the racing far more interesting without them? Bear in mind it only takes a lap to get tyres up to working temperature but it is a skill in itself to do so while fending off an attacker from behind. Do you remember the days before tyre warmers? It was an extra element that added greatly to the racing. |
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14 Dec 2007, 22:14 (Ref:2089092)
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If you agree completely, then you cannot think that drivers today are comparative wimps. Not logically, at least,
 .I don't mind either way with F1: either it is a bit of an increased task for the drivers, which is fine, or else it is just teams using technology to maximise performance, which, for me, is fine when it comes to F1. |
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14 Dec 2007, 22:18 (Ref:2089098)
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It is still a sport, of course it is. There might be a load of complete rubbish that goes with it and a load of people who follow it with no interest in sport, but it is fundamentally still a sport.
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14 Dec 2007, 22:19 (Ref:2089099)
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Tyre warmers, as well as being performance-enhancers, are also a safety measure. The GPDA, quite understandably, will always be reluctant to repeal existing safety measures.
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14 Dec 2007, 22:25 (Ref:2089106)
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Well, this is off topic, but if they are getting into a state because of the supposed safety drop-off over tyre warmers then what are they doing in this business?
I note other series get by, by and large, without fatalities immediately after changing tyres. Anyways, suppose that is for another thread. |
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14 Dec 2007, 22:28 (Ref:2089107)
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Modern day racing drivers are a big bunch of tarts. Discuss. |
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14 Dec 2007, 22:29 (Ref:2089111)
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 I started watching GP's around 1980 when things were very different. I do see your point though in that drivers adapt to the prevailing conditions. However, there is little racing today and I just want to see racing improved instead of being decided by so and so carrying 10 litres less fuels so he can do a stop of .5 of second less and pass in the pitlane. 5 words - Arnoux and Villeneuve Dijon 1979...There was so much spin about this year being the best in years - why though - where was the wheel to wheel racing? |
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14 Dec 2007, 22:33 (Ref:2089115)
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