What Nascar Should Do

RustyMillerTime · 12 Dec 2001, 03:17 (Ref:184863)

If I was Nascar i would run only 25 races a year thats plenty if you ask me,and here the Tracks i Would run.

1.Daytona 500
2.Rockingham
3.Las Vegas
4.Atlanta
5.Bristol
6.Richmond
7.North Wilkesboro
8.Talladega

TAKE WEEK OFF

9.Martinsville
10.Charlotte
11.ChicagoLand
12.Dover
13.Indianapolis
14.Sears Point
15.Watkins Glen
16.Road America

Take Week Off

17.Michigan
18.California
19.Kansas
20.Texas
21.Darlington
22.Pocono
23.Phoenix
24.Myrtle Beach
25.Indianapolis Raceway Park

Budmakesmewiser · 12 Dec 2001, 03:33 (Ref:184866)

No way dude,we need more races,laguna seca would be cool.

Roselady3 · 12 Dec 2001, 04:14 (Ref:184877)

The season would end about September!
& you took away the Fall Bristol Night race! Now THAT would meet some resistance from the fans!

I could understand going back to 36 races....but to cut out a major part of the season would be a huge disappointment to the fans & loss of money to the different tracks that COUNT on those two races a year to be able to remain open.

I know the drivers were all grumpy at the end of the season....but you KNOW they will be ready for next season. Anxious to go. This season had the worst of all beginnings. It HAD to affect them all. Come Feb- they all be excited to start their new fresh season, with better attitudes & healing that time gives them.

Budmakesmewiser · 12 Dec 2001, 05:38 (Ref:184882)

Ya,2001 would have definitely been Dale Sr year,he was more aggressive than he had been in the last couple of year,next year will be much better,or at least i hope it is.

Joe Fan · 12 Dec 2001, 06:12 (Ref:184885)

36 races a year is a lot of races. I wouldn't complain if they dropped a couple of races, that way I could get more done around the house.

Overall, I would really like to see one of the Pocono and Loudon races get axed. I wouldn't complain if one of the Martinsville races was dropped in favor of a road course event or return to N. Wilkesboro. I would really like to see a couple more road course races.

So here is what I would do.

Drop one race from the following tracks:

Pocono
Loudon
Martinsville
Rockingham

Add:

Laguna Seca
Road America or N. Wilkesboro

Ax Slinger · 12 Dec 2001, 08:58 (Ref:184906)

I think they should only have one race per track, then replace all the races they dropped to do that with events at other tracks. Of course, the track owners would never agree to that.

Roselady3 · 12 Dec 2001, 18:09 (Ref:185071)

I would go for that ONLY if I could keep both my Bristol dates!
GOT to have both the races there- A day & a night race.

Most of the tracks with 2 dates have contracts & rely on that income to stay afloat. Take one race away- you'll find some tracks closing up fast! That would not be in NASCAR's best interest.

The Beer Baron · 12 Dec 2001, 20:23 (Ref:185142)

Two hot dates for you at Bristol then Roselady

I wonder which tracks need two dayes to remain open?
They put in a huge capital investment to build a track
and only so much revenue will they earn from a single Winston Cup
race.

Revenue has to be about $10m , ( $100*100,000) + sponsorship + Tv money + concession sales, though at Chicagoland the yearly revenue was
about $20m, The cost to build these tracks is about $200m

The more I think of it, the tracks need the 2 dates, firstly it keeps WC racing in the minds of the locals all year round, ~6 month gap between races, also the tracks need constant improvement, with facilities & all, with more expensive safety features required it's easy to see that tracks will only just earn eneough money to remain open.

I can see places like NH and Dover being subjest to hostile takeovers , like North Wilkesboro, and their dates re-distributed to
other tracks.

I think it's as big as the NASCAR schedule will get, the one we have now!

Roselady3 · 12 Dec 2001, 20:51 (Ref:185159)

I highly doubt that they would add more, especially after the complaining that has happened this year. Alot of the stress that the drivers have is from the sponsors. They have demands too. As for the teams---they have SO much work in the mid-week to prepare for the weekends- they have to be stressed too. This year had to be rougher than most---not only having added races, but the craziness that went along with the beginning of this season. Many do not realize the impact that made on this season-For all involved.

Taking races FROM an existing track is like giving them a death sentence. Your figures alone stated that. How would you like to have to make the mortgage payment for a track that cost 200 million! OUCH!

The Beer Baron · 12 Dec 2001, 21:02 (Ref:185166)

When you look at long term payback, tracks don't really make money until after 10 years at least.

Tracks should get $6m per race from the TV deal. Though since ISC and Bruton Smith have many tracks that the mortgage has been paid for, they'll have eneough money to finance their newer tracks.

That said I detest their strict 'No Cooler, no food, no drink' policy at your track Roselady!

Will they have more seats in there for next year?

Roselady3 · 12 Dec 2001, 21:40 (Ref:185183)

I haven't even checked. I don't know if they were planning to add any. IF they don't change their TRACK PACK rule- I may be boycotting!

Yeah that rule of NO FOOD is pretty stupid. They have priced the average family right out of it. They have goons posted at each entrance- they check all your bags. God forbid that they might not be able to sell you those $5 hamburgers & $4 hotdogs.

The Beer Baron · 12 Dec 2001, 21:53 (Ref:185194)

They were supposed to add the extra seats on for 2002,

That track pack rule sucks, I mean it just gives them an excuse to totally jack up the price of the season ticket, just to show how much ISC appreciate the custom of NASCAR fans they force them to abandon all food and buy their price inflated snacks.

With the extra seats they might stop the track pack rule and let people buy the tickets they really want!

Ax Slinger · 13 Dec 2001, 09:12 (Ref:185360)

Quote:

Originally posted by The Beer Baron
ISC

There's your problem right there. International Speedway Corporation owns close to half of the tracks, and Speedway Motorsports Incorporated owns half of the rest. And that, in a nutshell, is why going to a NASCAR race is so expensive at some tracks. The single tracks have to charge more just to try to keep themselves open, and the big companies can charge whatever they want and nobody can argue with them. But even so, there would be no NASCAR without them, so what can you do?

Lee · 14 Dec 2001, 14:54 (Ref:185846)

The problem is quite simple. There are not enough weekends in a year, and there too many tracks competing for Winston Cup race dates. Streaching the schedule is killing the crews, it isn't as bad on the drivers, because they fly to and from all of the events, but it is taking it's tole on the crews, that do not have that luxury. I sent a letter to NASCAR, in 1996, proposing how to solve the problem, of adding new tracks, without dropping existing tracks, such as was done with North Wilkesboro, of course, the completely ignored it. The solution is simple, every track on the schedule gets one Winston Cup date. I purposely allow two tracks to keep two dates per year, not because they are ISC owned tracks, which is purely coniendence, but because of the position that these two tracks hold in NASCAR history. Darlington, which is NASCAR's original superspeedway, and Daytona, because it is NASCAR's flagship track, and home of the biggest, and most prestigious stock car race of all, the Daytona 500. Darlington, the original superspeedway, took the sport into the limelite, she set the standard for all the others. By that virture, she keeps her two dates. Daytona, as mentioned, is the flagship, and holds the Daytona 500, and the big "Independance Day" bash in July. Excepting these two, all other tracks should have only one Winston Cup date. This would automatically free up numerous dates which new tracks could have for their Cup date. Realistically, there needs to be a cap on building new tracks. NASCAR simply needs to tell all parties that there will be an absolute, finite limit on the number of races on the schedule, and that after this number is reached, NO MORE Winston Cup dates will be issued. This would largely solve the problem. Now, if it were up to me, I would axe Watkins Glen and Sears Point, and replace them wit two ovals, simply because I hate road-racing, but that is a personal preference.

Roselady3 · 15 Dec 2001, 18:50 (Ref:186257)

Well Lee- All good points- But I will fight to the end for my two Bristol races!

Lars · 16 Dec 2001, 01:55 (Ref:186384)

Quote:

Originally posted by The Beer Baron
They were supposed to add the extra seats on for 2002,

That track pack rule sucks, I mean it just gives them an excuse to totally jack up the price of the season ticket, just to show how much ISC appreciate the custom of NASCAR fans they force them to abandon all food and buy their price inflated snacks.
With the extra seats they might stop the track pack rule and let people buy the tickets they really want!

Last I heard BB they weren't going to add any new seats to Chicago. They were BS'ing e/o when the said they sold out the track paks fast last year. I bought mine in March & a cpl friends bought theirs a few weeks before the race and had as good as seats as I had. The IRL race was only 3/4's filled too, so lot of ppl didn't come back in September.

Roselady3 · 16 Dec 2001, 04:11 (Ref:186395)

Are you willing to do the TRACK PACK again?

BTW- I know people who were buying the Track Pack 5 days before the race- & they had decent seats too.

The Beer Baron · 16 Dec 2001, 04:27 (Ref:186396)

Before I doze off & this board gets busy again..

Is it going to be the Track Pack only again this year?
If they were sold out with just days to go for the inaugural event , the track better not get complacent or expect to see many go unsold, the 'novelty' won't be there! But in typical NASCAR fashion I bet it'll be sold out, (never underestimate NASCAR is my motto!!)

I do browse a very pro-IRL forum and people were getting their tickets to the race on ebay, not only did a lot not show up but many of the original holders sold theirs on.
It was Labor day weekend and some people had plans

, some people even had the luxury of sunbathing at Daytona Beach

Roselady3 · 16 Dec 2001, 04:54 (Ref:186397)

I haven't really checked- but from last year- I assumed that until they added additional seating- they were going to run it this way.

Hey- I wasn't sunbathing- I was butt burning!

Between that & the Jellyfish- Our dash home was very interesting!

Note to self: Boogie boards are TOO boyant.

Lars · 16 Dec 2001, 05:21 (Ref:186401)

yup, they are still only doing the track paks next year & I already sent in my $$$ for them. BB, I think you are right, the novelty (innagural race) might have worn off & the tix's might still be there at race time. Plus, I never thought that racing was big in Chi-town...too red neck for all them up-scale Chicagoians.

Boogie boards are dangerous Rosie...lol. Tore up my foot on a coral reef when I was boarding in Hawaii...long time ago.

Roselady3 · 16 Dec 2001, 14:50 (Ref:186522)

Too upscale for us Chicagoians?
Thats kinda funny! But probabally very true.
Everybody was complaining about it-

The waves are a tad bigger in Hawaii, than in Florida. I just kinda floated on the waves all day (Butt up) then had to levitate home, if ya know what I mean!

Lars · 16 Dec 2001, 16:38 (Ref:186544)

Quote:

Originally posted by Roselady3
I just kinda floated on the waves all day (Butt up) then had to levitate home, if ya know what I mean!

No, please explain...*G*.

Roselady3 · 16 Dec 2001, 18:01 (Ref:186564)

You are out to get me into trouble aren't ya?

OK trying to do this nicely.
Float butt up on boogie board, what would get sun burnt?
The same area that gets parked DOWN in the seat of a long 18 hour drive home.

But what does THAT have to do with what NASCAR should do?

The Beer Baron · 17 Dec 2001, 00:17 (Ref:186702)

Quote:

Originally posted by Roselady3
You are out to get me into trouble aren't ya?

OK trying to do this nicely.
Float butt up on boogie board, what would get sun burnt?
The same area that gets parked DOWN in the seat of a long 18 hour drive home.

But what does THAT have to do with what NASCAR should do?

NASCAR gotta make sure the guys don't get burnt before they go racin'

Roselady3 · 17 Dec 2001, 01:04 (Ref:186711)

You suggesting that they should mandate against boogie boards? *G*
Or just floating on 'em ?

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