WSBK Round 10 - Brno

jhansen · 24 Jul 2009, 15:34 (Ref:2507196)

I almost forgot, the best four stroke championship is back in business this weekend! The summer break is over and World Superbike is back at it. The first session has already been held and was topped by Biaggi, Hopkins and Spies. In fact, Hopkins was well ahead of Haslam for once. Meanwhile, Crutchlow was flying in WSS and was darn near on superbike pace!

Ok, silly question, but how do you pronounce Brno?

Dani Filth · 24 Jul 2009, 17:06 (Ref:2507253)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...3d/Cs-Brno.ogg

glad to be of service

jhansen · 24 Jul 2009, 20:18 (Ref:2507326)

Thanks!

So Biaggi on provisional pole. Fabrizio, Checa, Spies and Lanzi round out the top five with Corser 6th on the BMW. Nakano is backing up Biaggi's pace with 7th. Xaus is 8th, which puts both Beemers in the top ten. Nice. Parkes puts Kawi back in the top ten. According to reports, Tamada had the 4th fastest time, but it was pulled as he set it after the checkered flag had flown. Kagayama was tenth. So a nice mix of bikes in the top ten.

Haga was 15th.

It would seem that Aprilia and BMW have done some work during the break. Interested to see if their show of form continues over the weekend.

jhansen · 25 Jul 2009, 22:15 (Ref:2508039)

Spies on poll, Haga is back in 14th. The beemers are 7th and 8th. Good stuff.

Crutchlow on poll by over 8 tenths. He looks unstoppable this weekend.

jhansen · 27 Jul 2009, 17:27 (Ref:2509350)

Hats off to Biaggi and Aprilia for a well deserved win!

BootsOntheSide · 28 Jul 2009, 18:24 (Ref:2510110)

Bit of a rookie mistake from Fabrizio in race one, no wonder Spies was so angry. I can't believe that was Ten Kate's first ever double podium - goes to show how much they've struggled to run more than one competitive bike at a time.

**gomick** · 29 Jul 2009, 09:01 (Ref:2510580)

What about poor Cal Crutchlow in the Supersport race....

Has Foret got a factory ride in 2010 yet?

chunder · 29 Jul 2009, 09:27 (Ref:2510609)

Well in response, Ten Kate have been running different spec bikes all year. Rea was the pusher for Ohlins front end before anyone else and Checa has gone better with them now

As for Kiyo eitehr he isnt allowed to run Ohlins or he has tried them and given up, all familiar Kiyo triaits to be honest!

As for Crutchlow, the motor let him down, and when you hear how hard he was gunning it maybe it's no surprise, no excuse but he was mullering the engine!

Gerben24 · 30 Jul 2009, 06:44 (Ref:2511409)

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Originally Posted by chunder

Well in response, Ten Kate have been running different spec bikes all year. Rea was the pusher for Ohlins front end before anyone else and Checa has gone better with them now

As for Kiyo eitehr he isnt allowed to run Ohlins or he has tried them and given up, all familiar Kiyo triaits to be honest!

That is incorrect what you’re saying there Chunder. The only reason Ten Kate have moved to Ohlins is because WP has almost gone into administration and they haven’t been able to give the support and development that is nowadays required in WSBK. Only 2 days ago I was at the Ten Kate facilities where they were dismantling and cleaning all the bikes after the Brno weekend. Kiyo has the same Ohlins suspension as Checa and Rea. However, Kiyo cannot get the desired feel from this type of Ohlins suspension and he is not the only one. Haga and Spies have switched from this type of Ohlins suspension to the same type as Rossi is using in Motogp.

I’ll help you lose another illusion, Ten Kate is NOT an official works Honda team. They get the same support as for instance the Stiggy team. However, when there are new developments on the kits Honda are offering, Ten Kate will be the first team to which it will be available. Because they are not a factory team, they do not have the same resources as Ducati and Yamaha have. Kiyo will therefore not be able to switch to the Rossi type Ohlins suspension, as Haga and Spies have done. To indicate his problem, last year he rode laps of 2 minute flat at Brno (same as Fabrizio was doing this year) and this year he rode laps of 2 minute 1.

chunder · 30 Jul 2009, 10:40 (Ref:2511541)

And you would not be knowing this unless you were Dutch of course!!

It is clear to see that Ten Kate are hardly short of money! They have 5 world calss riders plus the guy in WSSTK, hardly a team running on its purse strings I would suggest.

They have been shown a better way by a new team that has consistently so far been as quick if not quicker than them, they are Swedish!

And you may say that Ten Kate are not an offical HRC team, that has been common knowledge for many years. But theya re first in line are they not! Hence why Kiyo san is running in corporate HRC livery and why he is even in WSBK at all. He is HRC through and through.

HRC pulled out of all factory sponsorhip in WSBK many years ago and in fact were only running factory teams in AMA and BSB. HM Plant have been doing their own thing for one and a half years now as have the AMA team for longer.

Returning to the point, Ten Kate may not be offical HRC but they are the next best thing and are getting their butts kicked in both classes, something that hasnt happened in WSS for a very long time, and they only reall did any good in WSBK with Toseland and Vermuelen. THe new bike certianly is not on a par

cg7aa · 30 Jul 2009, 13:26 (Ref:2511665)

It is quite painful watching Hopkins crash, how much more can that young man's battered body take before it becomes too much?

It is equally painful watching Kagayama become a feature of the latter half of the midfield runners year after year. What is going on with him and the Suzuki? Will he be back next season with his current form?

Kiyonari is just a puzzle to me although others may have hit on what his problems may be this season.

Stoic performance from Nori but it is looking rather ominous that another chance of being champion is going to fall by the way side.

Foret's lines in the WSS race was scary (although not as scary as Xaus exit from race one). It doesn't leave much margin does it? Cracking final bunch of laps though. Thoroughly enjoyed that. Lascorz's day will come sooner or later.

Well done Aprilia.

jhansen · 30 Jul 2009, 14:40 (Ref:2511706)

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Originally Posted by chunder

Returning to the point, Ten Kate may not be offical HRC but they are the next best thing and are getting their butts kicked in both classes, something that hasnt happened in WSS for a very long time, and they only reall did any good in WSBK with Toseland and Vermuelen. THe new bike certianly is not on a par

Let's face it, ALL of the bikes are very good in road trim. The trick is making them great race bikes, which comes down to factory support, a strong team, and great riders.

Ducati are a full factory effort, and their results show it. The Yamaha Italia team has also consistently done well and it wouldn't surprise me if they have very close factory ties. However, both of these squads have also consistently had top riders.

Ten Kate have shown that the new Honda is a good bike. But they stumble a lot and are very inconsistent. As Gerben says, I'm sure they are first on Honda's list of new toys. But I think they are more willing to go their own way, which perhaps suggests more distance between them and Honda. With that said, the shear number of bikes they support seems to indicate some Honda support. Maybe Honda Europe? And I would like to see Ten Kate come up with better riders.

Alstare Suzuki are a bit of the same really. The Suzuki is a stunning road bike, and we've seen genuine pace from this team. But I'm not a fan of their rider line-up. Also not convinced that they get a ton of Suzuki support.

That leaves Kawasaki. Do they have a good race program anywhere? Seriously, this factory boggles my mind. They butchered their Moto GP effort. The current ZX-10R is a great bike, but they consisently botch their superbike program world wide it would seem. Surly there is little support.

chunder · 30 Jul 2009, 15:08 (Ref:2511721)

I actually think Kawasaki have stumbeld upon a good bike this year

Tamada and Parkes have shown that spordically the bike is quick and in teh UK Simon Andrews has been one of the quickest men on a bike not enamoured with factory support and trinkets, indeed he has perhaps been THE quickest and most promising man on a Kawasaki since the speed of Hacking in AMA two years ago, he really isd that good

If you can get BSB anywhere j have a look, this lad is a talent. And to be fair the other guy Da Costa is top drawer as is John Laverty on teh Buildbase bikes.

I dont think Kawasaki build bad bikes, the7y just need decent riders, look at Lascorz, surely he would be winning on Foret's bike too!

jhansen · 30 Jul 2009, 15:45 (Ref:2511746)

I totally agree, the ZX-10R is a great bike. But Kawasaki has not managed to align themselves with very good teams. And I'm not sure the factory knows how to support said teams.

cg7aa · 31 Jul 2009, 21:48 (Ref:2512780)

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Originally Posted by jhansen

I totally agree, the ZX-10R is a great bike. But Kawasaki has not managed to align themselves with very good teams. And I'm not sure the factory knows how to support said teams.

Does anyone know the specs of the Pedercini bikes Scassa and Salom ride? Are they built in house?

**gomick** · 31 Jul 2009, 22:36 (Ref:2512814)

Bring back Muzzy

chunder · 2 Aug 2009, 16:02 (Ref:2514020)

Well yes, but they can leave the cheating behind!! No big carbs and dodgy fuel!!

**gomick** · 2 Aug 2009, 23:02 (Ref:2514272)

Are you talking Misano 96 with Gobert?

BootsOntheSide · 2 Aug 2009, 23:44 (Ref:2514286)

Pedercini have traditionally build and modified their own bikes, so I suspect they're still doing that. The gap to the PBM bikes could be explained by the rider lineup, although Hacking and Morais also did well when they guested.

Kawasaki have consistantly been fifth of the big five in Superbikes (both World and domestic) for many years. The bikes just fundamentally aren't as good, whoever's running or riding them. PBM have won British Championships, and are still lower midfield in WSBK with them - worse than with a basic Honda last year. Hacking's success in AMA was against weak Honda/Yamaha/Ducati involvement. Andrews is doing pretty well in BSB, but only Airwaves Yamaha really have all the right ingredients there this year.

**gomick** · 3 Aug 2009, 00:03 (Ref:2514291)

PBM didnt win championships with the Kwaka though did he? Hackings success on the Kwaka has mainly been in the Supersport class aswell...

Think everyone would love to see those Green bikes up the front in all classes...

chunder · 3 Aug 2009, 09:29 (Ref:2514437)

I thnk that is someone like Airwave got into the ZX10 properly and with the right development the bike could be wuick

It's just not an attractuve proposition for anyone right now

Birdy is loving it coz he isnt spending as much money mabe as when he was having to develop everything himself. And occasionally the bikes look really good.

Andrews has apparently asked for less electronincs and in the world of BSB where this is stillin its infancy he is getting results from being the main control aspect.

I dount the ZX10 would be a winner, but I certinly think with the tright ridersd and development it could be up with the Hondas

cg7aa · 4 Aug 2009, 12:14 (Ref:2515389)

Gentlemen, thanks for the comments about the Pedercini bikes.

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