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Old 11 Jun 2007, 15:32 (Ref:1934108)   #1
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Flags - Waved green and yellow

Lost in the Great Data Corruption of 2007... but I would like some collective wisdom on this.

When Trulli hit the wall under the safety car during yesterdays Canadian GP, the marshals on the post above him are showing both a waved green and a yellow flag.

Is this a signal used only in F1? A new flag signal that I have missed (I've not been out much this year?)! Or simply an error that some poor sole has had viewed by millions around the world?
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 15:43 (Ref:1934122)   #2
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Also, they were showing an oil flag when Speed was crawling round the circuit. Perhaps they don't have enough flags to go round?
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 16:27 (Ref:1934161)   #3
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I though that too, I actually said out loud, 'why are you waving a green, your mate is waving a yellow?'

I think there were also a lot of slippery surface flags used for debris, my real bug-bare!
Yellow/red for 'fluid', stationery yellow for 'bits'!?

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Old 11 Jun 2007, 17:16 (Ref:1934196)   #4
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The other thing that made me smile, was the Safety Car coming off the circuit back into the pit lane with all its roof lights still on, not sure which one of the 4 visits it was.
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 17:42 (Ref:1934212)   #5
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Is this a signal used only in F1? A new flag signal that I have missed (I've not been out much this year?)! Or simply an error that some poor sole has had viewed by millions around the world?[/quote]

There is your answer, simple as that. It was corrected.
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 17:54 (Ref:1934232)   #6
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Also when the safety car did come in,to my understanding that the startline is responsible for showing the first green flag to recommence the race.
But when the SC went to the pits,the last post,by the wall of champions was displaying a green flag.
Is that marshaling abroad use a different flagging system to us ?
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 17:59 (Ref:1934237)   #7
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I think there were also a lot of slippery surface flags used for debris, my real bug-bare!
Yellow/red for 'fluid', stationery yellow for 'bits'!?
Root casue of that one is the many different flag codes in use that do not agree with FIA.

From the SCCA GCR

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D. SURFACE CONDITION FLAG (Yellow with Vertical Red Stripes)
Take care. Oil has been spilled, or a slippery condition exists, or debris is present on the racing surface. This flag is displayed standing.
From CASC-OR GCR

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4.2 YELLOW FLAG WITH RED STRIPES
The yellow and red striped flag informs Drivers to take care. It is used to warn of a slippery surface
such as caused by the presence of oil, water and/or debris on the Course surface.
The flag shall be displayed for four laps or until the surface returns to normal.
Agreed, the FIA definition is just for Fluid, and this was an FIA event - but in the heat of battle one does react according to your training and how you flag the other 40 odd events a year you work. Root casue is the differing flagging codes.

[Aside, over here the green is not used commonly to clear after an incident - probably a contributor to the Green/Yellow situation]
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 18:02 (Ref:1934241)   #8
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Also when the safety car did come in,to my understanding that the startline is responsible for showing the first green flag to recommence the race.
But when the SC went to the pits,the last post,by the wall of champions was displaying a green flag.
Is that marshaling abroad use a different flagging system to us ?
My, my, being very picky today!! This past weekend the command came from race control at the end of a pace car session for all staions to drop SC baords, and display green, over the comm. system. Therefore, the whole track goes green simultaneously. This was practiced and rehearsed over the weekend.
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 19:07 (Ref:1934282)   #9
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My, my, being very picky today!! This past weekend the command came from race control at the end of a pace car session for all staions to drop SC baords, and display green, over the comm. system. Therefore, the whole track goes green simultaneously. This was practiced and rehearsed over the weekend.
Not being picky,just something i noticed.

But thank you for clearing the issue up
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 19:20 (Ref:1934294)   #10
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No Worries there...
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 19:30 (Ref:1934303)   #11
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Dress code query?

Why were the marshals wearing different coloured overalls?

I noticed at least yellow, white, orange and red.
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 19:52 (Ref:1934322)   #12
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Why were the marshals wearing different coloured overalls?

I noticed at least yellow, white, orange and red.
And what colour underwear was I wearing???

White = Canadian and US marshals (and some UK who come over here a lot)
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 22:27 (Ref:1934465)   #13
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I think there were also a lot of slippery surface flags used for debris, my real bug-bare!
Yellow/red for 'fluid', stationery yellow for 'bits'!?
Yellow/Red = changed surface, usually taken to mean slippery, but not necessarily. Don't FIA rules stipulate that all flags are waved? No such thing as a stationary flag.
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Old 11 Jun 2007, 23:23 (Ref:1934496)   #14
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Don't care if it's in the blue book or FIA rules (or not), but using the red/yellow as a "pay attention to the track surface, because something has changed here" warning, works fine for me (as a driver and a marshal).
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Old 12 Jun 2007, 02:59 (Ref:1934601)   #15
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Why were the marshals wearing different coloured overalls?
The Aussie F1 GP has the following uniforms;
Fire = Red Coveralls
Medics = Green
Rest of us = White (Cap color designates job in theory)

Senior Marshals & Pit Lane = Shirt & black pants

As for non F1 events, it depends on the state you are in as to what uniform you have. Here in Victoria (Melbourne) White overalls for trackside is the norm with Firies in Red & Yellow. NSW (Sydney) use a mixture of White or Orange and so on for the other states.
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Old 12 Jun 2007, 08:05 (Ref:1934739)   #16
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I think there were also a lot of slippery surface flags used for debris, my real bug-bare!
Yellow/red for 'fluid', stationery yellow for 'bits'!?
Don't forget that the yellow flag means no overtaking so, IMHO, it really does depend on what 'bits' you've got and, as always, discretion is required.
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Don't FIA rules stipulate that all flags are waved? No such thing as a stationary flag.
No ... The one flag that is stationary is the oil flag...
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Old 12 Jun 2007, 12:43 (Ref:1935017)   #18
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Ah, right. Today's bit of learning, then. Don't think I've ever used one at an FIA, so hopefully I've never got it wrong, and more hopefully, now I never will!
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My, my, being very picky today!! This past weekend the command came from race control at the end of a pace car session for all staions to drop SC baords, and display green, over the comm. system. Therefore, the whole track goes green simultaneously. This was practiced and rehearsed over the weekend.
Not just this past weekend. This has been the case for quite a few years now.

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I was told by a seasoned US marshal (SCCA Worker) that the "Debris Flag" should be used to warn drivers of a hazard they can drive OVER and a yellow for something they have to drive ROUND. Works for me!

The "Debris/Surface" Flag is always displayed stationary. The only one that is, so that the drivers can see it's colours instantly. It's advisory, not madatory, unlike the yellow, waved or stationary...end of...
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Old 12 Jun 2007, 15:35 (Ref:1935163)   #21
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as far as the BB states
J 16.Flag Signals

(g) Yellow Flag with red stripes - Stationary:Slippery surface ahead.

(h) Yellow Flag with red stripes - Waved:Slippery surface imminent.

Until i red it in the book,never knew a red/yellow could be waved,and have never seen one waved
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And what colour underwear was I wearing???

White = Canadian and US marshals (and some UK who come over here a lot)
Orange = European visitors, crane and tow truck crews
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Red = Doctors & Sunburnt flaggers
And don't forget us 'Bobs' there were at least 2 of us there in 2005
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Old 12 Jun 2007, 17:46 (Ref:1935266)   #23
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My, my, being very picky today!! This past weekend the command came from race control at the end of a pace car session for all staions to drop SC baords, and display green, over the comm. system. Therefore, the whole track goes green simultaneously. This was practiced and rehearsed over the weekend.
I must say Rich, I wondered about that when I saw it, though I preferred not to mention it on a public forum, and sound like I was having a go at fellow marshals, when we all make mistakes. Not only was this not a mistake, but I think a good idea.
Quite often I have stood holding a safety car board out when I know I am lying, because I know the safety car has already pulled off, especially at Priory at Silverstone, when I can see the safety car parking up at Brooklands, but I have to wait for the green flag to come around.
The one problem I do have with what you were told to do, is a matter of co-ordination. What happens if some marshals are quicker at putting the green flag out than others? Then you might have some cars at the back start racing before the ones in front of them, which could lead to all sorts of problems/arguments, which, no doubt, the marshals will be blamed for.
Well done to all you guys for your hard work, and lets not critisise people before we know some, at least, of the facts.
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Old 12 Jun 2007, 17:49 (Ref:1935271)   #24
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Can someone please clear something up...

Should you wave the green or not?
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