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Flags - Waved green and yellow
Lost in the Great Data Corruption of 2007... but I would like some collective wisdom on this.
When Trulli hit the wall under the safety car during yesterdays Canadian GP, the marshals on the post above him are showing both a waved green and a yellow flag. Is this a signal used only in F1? A new flag signal that I have missed (I've not been out much this year?)! Or simply an error that some poor sole has had viewed by millions around the world? |
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11 Jun 2007, 15:43 (Ref:1934122) | #2 | ||
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Also, they were showing an oil flag when Speed was crawling round the circuit. Perhaps they don't have enough flags to go round?
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The other thing that made me smile, was the Safety Car coming off the circuit back into the pit lane with all its roof lights still on, not sure which one of the 4 visits it was.
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11 Jun 2007, 17:42 (Ref:1934212) | #5 | ||
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Is this a signal used only in F1? A new flag signal that I have missed (I've not been out much this year?)! Or simply an error that some poor sole has had viewed by millions around the world?[/quote] There is your answer, simple as that. It was corrected. |
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11 Jun 2007, 17:54 (Ref:1934232) | #6 | ||
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Also when the safety car did come in,to my understanding that the startline is responsible for showing the first green flag to recommence the race.
But when the SC went to the pits,the last post,by the wall of champions was displaying a green flag. Is that marshaling abroad use a different flagging system to us ? |
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From the SCCA GCR Quote:
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[Aside, over here the green is not used commonly to clear after an incident - probably a contributor to the Green/Yellow situation] |
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But thank you for clearing the issue up |
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11 Jun 2007, 19:30 (Ref:1934303) | #11 | ||
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Dress code query?
Why were the marshals wearing different coloured overalls?
I noticed at least yellow, white, orange and red. |
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White = Canadian and US marshals (and some UK who come over here a lot) Orange = European visitors, crane and tow truck crews Yellow = Paramedics/rapid response Red = Doctors & Sunburnt flaggers |
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Don't care if it's in the blue book or FIA rules (or not), but using the red/yellow as a "pay attention to the track surface, because something has changed here" warning, works fine for me (as a driver and a marshal).
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Fire = Red Coveralls Medics = Green Rest of us = White (Cap color designates job in theory) Senior Marshals & Pit Lane = Shirt & black pants As for non F1 events, it depends on the state you are in as to what uniform you have. Here in Victoria (Melbourne) White overalls for trackside is the norm with Firies in Red & Yellow. NSW (Sydney) use a mixture of White or Orange and so on for the other states. |
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Ah, right. Today's bit of learning, then. Don't think I've ever used one at an FIA, so hopefully I've never got it wrong, and more hopefully, now I never will!
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I was told by a seasoned US marshal (SCCA Worker) that the "Debris Flag" should be used to warn drivers of a hazard they can drive OVER and a yellow for something they have to drive ROUND. Works for me!
The "Debris/Surface" Flag is always displayed stationary. The only one that is, so that the drivers can see it's colours instantly. It's advisory, not madatory, unlike the yellow, waved or stationary...end of... |
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12 Jun 2007, 15:35 (Ref:1935163) | #21 | ||
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as far as the BB states
J 16.Flag Signals (g) Yellow Flag with red stripes - Stationary:Slippery surface ahead. (h) Yellow Flag with red stripes - Waved:Slippery surface imminent. Until i red it in the book,never knew a red/yellow could be waved,and have never seen one waved |
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Quite often I have stood holding a safety car board out when I know I am lying, because I know the safety car has already pulled off, especially at Priory at Silverstone, when I can see the safety car parking up at Brooklands, but I have to wait for the green flag to come around. The one problem I do have with what you were told to do, is a matter of co-ordination. What happens if some marshals are quicker at putting the green flag out than others? Then you might have some cars at the back start racing before the ones in front of them, which could lead to all sorts of problems/arguments, which, no doubt, the marshals will be blamed for. Well done to all you guys for your hard work, and lets not critisise people before we know some, at least, of the facts. |
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Can someone please clear something up...
Should you wave the green or not? |
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At F1 Meets, yeah!
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