Monaco and Indianapolis

rush1 · 2 Jun 2003, 18:47 (Ref:618184)

Are Graham Hill and now JPM the only drivers to win both events?

Tim Northcutt · 2 Jun 2003, 18:55 (Ref:618202)

Yes...according the the Indy Star, Montoya joined Hill with his win yesterday....

esorniloc · 2 Jun 2003, 20:08 (Ref:618314)

They both won Indy at there first attempt as well!

Hill also won Le Mans.

bcobbus · 3 Jun 2003, 02:17 (Ref:618663)

Mario never won at Monaco? hmmm Graham Hill was the man! Isn't he the only guy to have won at Monaco "5 times!", Indy, and Le Mans? Surprisingly Jim Clark never won at Monaco!

krt917 · 3 Jun 2003, 11:39 (Ref:619053)

Clark was always unlucky at Monaco - and he missed it at least once (1965) to do Indy.

climb · 3 Jun 2003, 13:27 (Ref:619157)

it's a tricky game, that of finding combined records here and there!
Is there anything particular in having won both Indy and Monaco?
In my opinion is not much more that a pure statistic divertissement!
JV has not done that, but he has won Indy and a WDC, which means something more, i guess

I am Tifosi · 3 Jun 2003, 15:03 (Ref:619266)

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Originally posted by bcobbus
Mario never won at Monaco?

But, Mario did win Daytona. LeMans is the race that got away from Mario.

BootsOntheSide · 3 Jun 2003, 15:16 (Ref:619277)

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Originally posted by bcobbus
Mario never won at Monaco? hmmm Graham Hill was the man! Isn't he the only guy to have won at Monaco "5 times!", Indy, and Le Mans? Surprisingly Jim Clark never won at Monaco!

Graham won Monaco 5 times, but Senna won it 6 times. And I'm sure he could've won Indy, given a concerted effort. Both Clark and Mansell are unlucky not to have won Monaco, and Mansell would've won the 500 as a rookie but for his restart mistake.

**gomick** · 4 Jun 2003, 10:12 (Ref:620255)

schummy should have a crack at indy next year while he is still at the peak in his racing career......

Down F0rce · 4 Jun 2003, 11:06 (Ref:620327)

Schumacher has also won Moncao 5 times. I very highly doubt that he would run Indy though. Villenuve and Montoya are the only current F1 drivers that know what Indy means.

BootsOntheSide · 4 Jun 2003, 11:29 (Ref:620354)

Schumacher's too much of a gutless wimp to take on an oval. He's said that himself.

krt917 · 4 Jun 2003, 13:21 (Ref:620545)

Chances are he'd still get the job done if he did find himself in an IRL car, though I can't see him wanting to myself.

Personally, I'd like to see him in a Sportscar, but that's unlikley too.

Lee Janotta · 4 Jun 2003, 14:41 (Ref:620652)

Hmmm... Maybe JPM and Mario could share a car at LeMans so they could both get that monkey off their backs?

JAG · 4 Jun 2003, 20:46 (Ref:621056)

JV has said he will compete at LM when his F1 career ends (hes not interested in Champcars).

Scumachers also said LM is the only race he would consider post F1. In fact Schumacher may race (but probably only test) the new mid-engined Masarati GTS car, if only for publicity and a favour for Jean Todt.

rush1 · 4 Jun 2003, 21:39 (Ref:621138)

If JV wins LeMans he would have a CART title, F1 title, Indianapolis 500 and LeMans. Has anyone done that? I'm thinking Fittipaldi or Andretti?

Ralf · 5 Jun 2003, 01:18 (Ref:621320)

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Originally posted by gomick
schummy should have a crack at indy next year while he is still at the peak in his racing career......

Pfft, yeah & be Alex Yoong's teammate

Why would he waste his time & talent running around with a bunch of chumps?

Actually I feel the same, I'm going to Chirnside Park!

Ralf · 5 Jun 2003, 01:20 (Ref:621322)

And another thing Gomick.....

Should Dave Gilmour join Taxiride???

BootsOntheSide · 5 Jun 2003, 13:10 (Ref:621758)

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Originally posted by rush1
If JV wins LeMans he would have a CART title, F1 title, Indianapolis 500 and LeMans. Has anyone done that? I'm thinking Fittipaldi or Andretti?

Andretti hasn't won Le Mans, and I don't think Fitipaldi has either. So JV's allround record equals anyone's really.

Jordi · 5 Jun 2003, 17:06 (Ref:622035)

If Jacques won Le Mans, he should be regarded as one of the best drivers ever, shouldn't he?
He would lack Monaco though. In 1996 he was ran over by Badoer, and starting with slicks in the wet in 1997 wasn't sensible...

Mattracer · 6 Jun 2003, 10:29 (Ref:622713)

Schumacher has said in the past he wouldn't run on ovals because they are too dangerous, or something like that.

24 H · 18 Jun 2003, 18:38 (Ref:635810)

Graham is still the only pilot to have won Monaco-Indy-Le Mans.

Monty can do the same thing now !

DNQ · 18 Jun 2003, 23:56 (Ref:636112)

I am sure Montoya will have a crack at Le Mans after his F1 career is finished...to be honest, Le Mans is probably the easiest of the three to win, that is, if you're in the top team (Audi, or now, Bentley). I hope he does it.

gttouring · 17 Jul 2003, 05:08 (Ref:663570)

and if shumi tries Indy he wouldn't be in a crapo operation- the marlboro ties would only leave MS to drive for one team, frankly one of the best at INdy the Penske organization who have won the last 3 years- of course that toyota engine might pose a problem..

racer69 · 17 Jul 2003, 13:38 (Ref:663891)

Not if he goes to Indy after his Grand Prix career is over.

Quote:

Originally posted by Jordi
In 1996 he was ran over by Badoer

Villeneuve wasn't doing much in that race anyway, so it didn't really cost him anything

Jordi · 19 Jul 2003, 23:15 (Ref:665932)

But he was 4th, and ran over by a backmarker. 4th is always better than a DNF, ain't it?

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