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Charles Warner · 1 Dec 2004, 01:52 (Ref:1168542)

I have noticed lately that a large number of Group C3 & CN sports cars (especially PRCs and Osellas) are coming on the market. Is there something going on in this part of the sport that is driving these cars to the block?

GT-Eins · 1 Dec 2004, 03:37 (Ref:1168566)

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Originally posted by Charles Warner
... Is there something going on in this part of the sport that is driving these cars to the block?

Yes they are booming

(Just kidding)

No - in fact we have a very healthy scene for this kind of cars here in Europe - they are the "DP´s" of the "old world" - cost effective, fast, available in masses - and maybe more aesthetic then the DP´s.

The fact that lots of this cars are availble is that many teams try to sell them for updating to a newer car.

Appropiate Racing series are:

CIP (Italy)
Sports Car Challenge (central Europe)
RS Le Mans (Skandinavia)
VdeV Endurance (France)
Open Sports Race Series (UK)
European Hillclimb Championship (EU)
various national Hillclimb Championships

So a lot of trophys to collect with these kind of cars...

Charles Warner · 1 Dec 2004, 15:56 (Ref:1169072)

Thanks for the information.

Dauntless · 1 Dec 2004, 18:33 (Ref:1169203)

Hey Charlie, maybe one of those guys will trade for one of your F1 cars...!

Tim Northcutt · 1 Dec 2004, 21:27 (Ref:1169369)

The builders that are creating what we call the SCCA CSR and DSr classes seem to be doing pretty good business here in north America as well...

They are relatively inexpensive, and they fly like a bat out of hell, even though they are, in most cases anyway, powered by small displacement engines....

Charles Warner · 1 Dec 2004, 21:45 (Ref:1169384)

Stan, I think you and your son would make a great BOSS F1 team.

Dauntless · 1 Dec 2004, 21:51 (Ref:1169389)

Geez Charlie, don't tell HIM that...!

Tim Northcutt · 2 Dec 2004, 00:05 (Ref:1169457)

Don't send Stan and Rennie to F-1!!!

Hell...we want'em in the ALMS!!!!!!

Thommy · 2 Dec 2004, 11:20 (Ref:1169697)

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Hell...we want'em in the ALMS!!!!!! [/B]

...driving a CN-Car

*just kidding*

Dauntless · 2 Dec 2004, 16:30 (Ref:1169965)

Group CN...? Go wash your mouth out with soap, Thommy!

j/k...

Charles Warner · 2 Dec 2004, 17:01 (Ref:1169983)

Stan, if'n you want a nice C3 car I can oblige . . . .

Dauntless · 2 Dec 2004, 17:34 (Ref:1170018)

Charlie...you have mail.

cybersdorf · 2 Dec 2004, 21:50 (Ref:1170302)

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Originally posted by Dauntless
Group CN...? Go wash your mouth out with soap, Thommy!

j/k...

What's supposed to be wrong wrong with CN anyway? You don't have to keep the boring "stock prod. (as if)" engines, you can replace them with something more, hm, substantial, like a Cosworth DFV...

...or a 6.8l (you figure out the cu.in.) Chevy...

...and suddenly, they're not so boring anymore.

How's the diesel coming along?

Dauntless · 4 Dec 2004, 16:42 (Ref:1170725)

He he he...I was just kidding about CN, Cybersdorf and Tommy!

There is nothing "wrong" with CN, it's just that my ultimate aim is a closed top proto. Since I can't afford to buy one, I guess I'll have to build it. And since I am retiring in 130-ish days (14 Apr 05), I will soon have some extra time on my hands.

As for the diesel, it continues slowly. I have been busy rebuilding the Ralt for a possible return to club racing in '05 (or sale?

), along with finishing my CSR rebody (I couldn't make the previous body fit without major surgery). I have also been offered two positions as team engineer for '05 (with pay!!!

)

Look for the diesel to hit the track in '05 if all goes well! There's still no one doing it here in North America, so maybe I can still be the first.

cybersdorf · 4 Dec 2004, 16:50 (Ref:1170730)

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

There is nothing "wrong" with CN, it's just that my ultimate aim is a closed top proto.

Like this?

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As for the diesel, it continues slowly.

As diesels do.

Dauntless · 4 Dec 2004, 17:37 (Ref:1170762)

Yes, that would do very nicely, indeed!

And only £25,000...? Hmm, I wonder how fast I can sell the Ralt. Don't tell Rennie, though...!

hh:

cybersdorf · 4 Dec 2004, 18:09 (Ref:1170775)

Were Prosports ever officially sold in North AMerica?

Dauntless · 4 Dec 2004, 18:22 (Ref:1170781)

Not that I know of. Are they still in business? Got a good website?

cybersdorf · 4 Dec 2004, 18:45 (Ref:1170793)

Prosport was a single make prototype series, from what I recalls the car was designed by Lee Noble who also penned the Ultima, with which it has some similarity...

...and nowadays sells GT cars under his own name.

As for who built the Prosports, I really can't recall. It's been a few years since the series has disappeared, although the cars are still campaigned in several local/regional British championships, and are - surprisingly enough - eligible for British GT.

A Ferrari-engined example runs in the historic Gp.C/GTP series over here.

Dauntless · 4 Dec 2004, 18:56 (Ref:1170799)

Thanks for the history. I am familiar with the Ultima, but in my opinion Noble should have stayed with the Prosport design...I find it a much more handsome car!

Anybody else have more details? I searched, but came up pretty much empty handed.

Thanks!

cybersdorf · 4 Dec 2004, 19:01 (Ref:1170801)

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Originally Posted by Charles Warner

I have noticed lately that a large number of Group C3 & CN sports cars (especially PRCs and Osellas) are coming on the market. Is there something going on in this part of the sport that is driving these cars to the block?

Going back to the initial question, some of these cars are now on the market because a) there are more and more bike-engined cars such as theRadicals, Westfields, and Normas, coming into the market and they are perhaps cheaper to run; and b) the Interserie is not recovering the way it has been anticipated. Had this been the case, there would have been a few endurance races (weill 100 minute races anyway) for such cars. But the first such event earlier this year was a failure, and it now seems the 2005 Interserie is in doubt altogether. So some owners are looking elsewhere, or sitting the next year out. On the other hand, a few of these cars are on the market simply because the owners are upgrading to more competitive machinery.

**FIRE** · 4 Dec 2004, 20:53 (Ref:1170872)

In Holland they race with the Saker cars (powered by a Subaru 2L engine), see this page for pics.

GT-Eins · 7 Dec 2004, 06:47 (Ref:1173092)

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Originally Posted by cybersdorf

Prosport was a single make prototype series, from what I recalls the car was designed by Lee Noble who also penned the Ultima, .....

As for who built the Prosports, I really can't recall. ....

AFAIK it was Merlin. They build around 15-20 of them - never enough to supply a whole series.
To buy an ultima (Kitcar!) would be a better choice then to opt for an old prosport in my eyes - except $$$-reasons are an obstacle.

sportproto · 15 Dec 2004, 14:08 (Ref:1180055)

This the new M20 2005 look.
(the M20 wins the 2004 VdeV French endurance serie)

www.sportproto.com

Edited to put the link in the message

Fab · 15 Dec 2004, 15:57 (Ref:1180229)

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Originally Posted by sportproto

This the new M20 2005 look.

Nice one !

And a question : any news of some LMP1/LMP2 project ? I thought that a P2 was possible in a mid-term...

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