What enzo's son says

Jukebox · 16 May 2002, 04:04 (Ref:287743)

A lot of posts in here and others worldwide would say that Enzo Ferrari would not have approved of what had happened last weekend but who else than his own son Piero would be the right person to give such comments as other than him are just pure speculation. Nothing else!

Piero said: "There are those who said that Enzo Ferrari would be spinning in his grave. I think I knew him quite well and I can say to those people that last Sunday afternoon I thought of my father looking down with a smile, while seeing his two cars dominate the Grand Prix and two drivers obeying team orders."

DavidStHubbins · 16 May 2002, 08:13 (Ref:287804)

What Alan Jones says: " What a BLOODY disgrace!"

I am with Alan and will not be watching the Monaco GP. I will be asleep probably being in oz and all!

**Spudgun** · 16 May 2002, 08:22 (Ref:287810)

Well he would say that wouldn't he?

I'm not saying he doesn't believe it and I'm sure he does, but he's hardly going to slam the team in the interest of the Ferrari family.

They still own 10% of Ferrari and the whole outfit is very political. Do you trust anyone in politics?

Jukebox · 16 May 2002, 08:33 (Ref:287824)

He would have known his father more than anyone else does and to think that Berger made several comment over and over again about JPM would had been enzo's choice over TGF..hmm he's an idiot that Gerhard Berger!

**Spudgun** · 16 May 2002, 08:46 (Ref:287832)

I can see where Berger is coming from there.. TGF is fast, efficient, but you don't see any passion. He seems to me to drive just like another day at the office, almost robotic like a T1000 (now there's an idea

)..

To me, Jean Alesi was a great Ferrari driver.. You knew you were in for some entertainment if he had a 'red mist'. If he'd had an F2002 7 or 8 years ago, that would have brought some entertainment!

Jukebox · 16 May 2002, 08:52 (Ref:287835)

How would we know if a driver has passion or not? In the case of Alesi....yeah he has too much passion LOL..he would have wept all the way to the chequered flag if he had had the F2002 back then

JPM as i see him as having this undying fighting spirit...but certainly not passion

EvilPumpkin · 16 May 2002, 08:57 (Ref:287837)

I'd have to disagree on that one Juke - his colourful outburst during his drive through penalty - along with other incidents.

I happen to like that though - shows he's human. I have more respect for a driver that is obviously raging but manages to control it and drive well than for one that never seems to get upset at all.

Jukebox · 16 May 2002, 09:06 (Ref:287844)

Didn't we see him trying to get back at TGF in Brazil after Malaysia?

That sure is a colorful outburst if you call it that way. But then he's being more reasonable these days knowing that the FW24 isn't that competitive.

Gt_R · 16 May 2002, 09:10 (Ref:287845)

Quote:"TGF is fast, efficient, but you don't see any passion."

How much do you really misunderstand this man?

He is Fast, yeah you are right. He is efficient, yeah you are right.

But he has no passion???
The man who after standing at the top step of the podium 50 times still jumps with the same enthusiasm as if it was his first victory...with enthusiasm that equals ,if not more, that of any rookie's first win. The man who can bring out the extra half a second of himself from nowhere just to beat the opposition in qualifyings at the dying minutes. The man who still enjoys going to each race, and still give 100% and more after 10 years in F1. The man who still relish the chance to fight with younger racers around Karts.

There is a difference being passion and driving style. And passion for racing in F1, Michael doesn't lack.

kdr · 16 May 2002, 09:12 (Ref:287846)

schumacher...podium...leap...anyone?!

**Spudgun** · 16 May 2002, 09:16 (Ref:287848)

I don't know what's really happening these days, but there are less 'storming' drives than there used to be.

I mean, back in the late mid-late '80's and before that, there used to be some barnstorming drives. Senna, Mansell, Piquet, Alesi (just picking a few off the top of my head) had some spectacular drives. You knew they were going for it and it was great to watch!

These days I think it's a combination of the high technology and the strangling of regulations that have killed proper racing.

In the '80's they had to be careful. Missed gears, over-revved engines, boost management.

Drivers would bang wheels, have great wheel to wheel duels. Now they can't even fart in another driver's direction without getting a penalty.

There doesn't seem to be any room in the sport for passionate drivers. The ones that are in the sport like JPM seem to attract the attention of the Max and Bernie show.

Just a thought anyway..

Jukebox · 16 May 2002, 09:18 (Ref:287851)

I would like to add to what GT_R had said...if passion has anything to do with being generous and thoughtful.

He did open the bar until the wee hours after paying dinner for all his engineers, mechanics and technicians.

That's what i call passion towards the unsung guys in the garage.

Jukebox · 16 May 2002, 09:23 (Ref:287853)

Well spudgun.....make way for one word - Technology

Whether we like it or not, developement of future motorcars evolves around F1. Traction control for an example are being adopted into today's cars.

**Spudgun** · 16 May 2002, 09:36 (Ref:287859)

Too true Jukebox..

I'm not totally against Technology.. The only one I don't agree with traction control and especially launch control.. Takes some of the skill out IMO.

But I know they can't do anything about it because they can't police it hence the reason they made it legal..

Next thing will be to replace the tracks with Scaletrix track. The cross over section down the main straight might be interesting though..

kdr · 16 May 2002, 09:46 (Ref:287866)

gt-r...agree with your sentiments, we seem to have overlapped our words.

Jukebox · 16 May 2002, 09:46 (Ref:287867)

Yeah Spudgun..policing would not be the proper thing to do. Anyway, even the mighty TGF spun during qualifying after taking the corner for a second run. And that is with traction control! Proves that with all that electronic controls onboard, driving skills is still a prerequisite

Gt_R · 16 May 2002, 09:54 (Ref:287878)

Quote Spudgun:"...Drivers would bang wheels, have great wheel to wheel duels."

Well, how can we have that now? When Michael just merely pull his car nearer the oppositions...the paranoid critics scream "Murder!". And when it really touched...they start the pour all sorts of abuses on him....

Haha..just another show of irony here! Those people want great wheel to wheel, banging wheels at odd times, racing... yet when some fellas come up to that... this forum becomes a scream house...

Kekke...wierd how ironical F1 world, and this forum has become lately!

PS. Oh...before people take this thread too seriously...IT IS MEANT TO BE A LIGHT HEARTED POKE...i mean, i respect the idea that there ARE people who dont like Michael nor his style.

cheers!

Andrew2001 · 16 May 2002, 11:24 (Ref:287954)

Good point spudgun, but one must not fight against technology, like the FIA are trying to do. Why fight against it? Just let it go, see how fast they can actually go!!
Wheel to wheel racing, is what we saw in the Mika VS Michael era, clean racing, no bull****, but it was good stuff to watch. The point to remember is, Schumacher does one thing then when it gets done back to him he protests and black mails the other driver, take for example: Malaysia 1999, he held up Mika for the WHOLE race to get Ivine as many points as possible, the very next race DC holds him up for 5 corners and loses him a whole 3.5 seconds and ****maker says it costed him 10 seconds and that he was fuming about it. If all the drivers were allowed to do and get away with what Schumacher has done then there would not be a problem. Wheel to wheel racing is great, and I love it, no matter who it is that comes worst off, but the fact is when a driver deliberately drives another off the track then thats where it is wrong, when a driver just does not give ANY room whatsoever.

Have any of you noticed, that when Mika raced Michael there was never any controversy or bull**** going on, yet when the shunting german races people like JPM, Hill, Villeneuve, Frentzen and DC its always drama after drama.
Jukebox, Gerhard has a point, regarding JPM.
Gerhard Berger just happens to be my favourite driver of all time! But he knew Enzo better than many, let us remember that, and he should know what he is talkinga bout when he says that Enzo would have picked JPM over Schumacher.

Liz · 16 May 2002, 11:33 (Ref:287958)

I think you can put Mr. Ferrari's comments down under "Circling the Wagons." That is exactly what Enron is requiring of its employees at this time, and what all beseiged companies do when the entire weight of evidence is against them.

I have the feeling that saying "My father would have condoned cheating and then trying to pretend it wasn't cheating" may come back to haunt him though.

As far as passion in racing being exemplified by buying your team a meal, I'd say if you're making $85 million per year, buying ONE meal for the people who make it possible is more in the nature of alms.

**Spudgun** · 16 May 2002, 11:58 (Ref:287985)

Quote:

Originally posted by GT_R
Well, how can we have that now? When Michael just merely pull his car nearer the oppositions...the paranoid critics scream "Murder!". And when it really touched...they start the pour all sorts of abuses on him....

Exactly..

The 'chops' (and no I'm not bringing it back up, it's just an example) were a little out of order and haven't helped this sort of thing, but the regulations of actual racing are getting a bit constrictive. After those incidents the scrutiny has become too much.

Look at the move JPM made on MS at Brazil last year. There was no penalty and it was great racing. If it had have been the other way round I would have said the same.

It's no secret that I am not a fan of Michael I only give him grief if I feel he has done something wrong. If he hasn't I'll leave him alone.

Mr V · 16 May 2002, 13:39 (Ref:288060)

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Originally posted by Jukebox
Didn't we see him trying to get back at TGF in Brazil after Malaysia?

does "not getting back" at someone show a lack of passion, or a racing brain? we all know what happened at brazil, and i'm not trying to open anything up again, but, had jpm tried to get back at tgf, he proberbly would have found himself up in front of the fia on some sort of charge, he wouldn't have scored the 2 points he did, and could very well have taken tgf out of the race and been universally condemded for it?

Nicholas · 16 May 2002, 16:45 (Ref:288199)

Back in those days I assume drivers didn't have something like a 20+ points cushion.

Liz · 16 May 2002, 23:44 (Ref:288466)

Remember the famous scene in 1998 at Spa of someone in a red suit screaming down the pitlane intent on convincing the world that the guy he'd just needlessly rammed from behind in a rainstorm had in point of fact "tried to

kill me"?

Before the advent of telemetry, this theatrical scene might even have worked.

But there is a difference between passion (think Alesi chasing Trulli through the infield in Montreal, and Trulli too scared to turn around and run forward ) and cynical, theatrical damage control.

Jukebox · 17 May 2002, 01:23 (Ref:288500)

Quote:

Originally posted by mr v

had jpm tried to get back at tgf, he proberbly would have found himself up in front of the fia on some sort of charge,

What's with the FIA conspiracy theory all you JPM fans have over TGF and Ferrari, Ferrari too in the past made mistakes and were penalised by the FIA.

freud · 17 May 2002, 01:24 (Ref:288502)

Enzo's son is NOT 'Enzo Ferrari' and he doesnt know a damn about what 'Enzo Ferrari' would've done in this particular situation period