Rubens' pay scale...

Bibendum · 10 Apr 2002, 18:42 (Ref:256659)

Whew. Ferrari are going out of their way to make Rubens feel super special!

Whatever you think of the guy, it would be hard to argue that all of his race failures have been his fault his year -- perhaps Australia, but not the other two.

So does anyone else think there's some inconsistency between Todt describing him as having driven "like the champion he is," and this slap in the face -- take a pay cut or quit? :confused:

Or do you think the reports on this topic are speculative, or some way of unsettling Rubens? To me, it has the ring of (ruthless) truth -- Ferrari may feel they've a cheaper option which does them more good in the long run.

In the end, I have to agree with Rubens -- he's doing pretty well, given that virtually everyone at Ferrari is working to make someone else go fast...

Lee Janotta · 10 Apr 2002, 19:30 (Ref:256692)

Rubens is still a very good driver (not top-line, but very good), but it does seem like Jean Toad wants to replace him with someone younger, cheaper, and more willing to be a #2 until Schumi hangs up his helmet. He's become a wipping boy for anything that goes wrong at Ferarri. Lets be honest, TGF's #2s rarely get a break. Just ask Johnny Herbert.

Rubens'll have trouble finding another ride, though, unless he's willing to severly cut his fee. And even then it'd be with Jordan one of the Honda teams at best. He's been in F1 since '93, it's too late to start over.

As to the veracity of the reports, I don't think Ferarri's above any level of politicing. Enzo was a master of it, and Toad... Well, I don't think I need to spell out what I think of him.

djb · 10 Apr 2002, 21:34 (Ref:256805)

what exactly and where did you see a report of him getting a pay cut?

classic · 10 Apr 2002, 23:22 (Ref:256863)

I think it is high time that Ruebens left Ferrari and went to another team. Jagaur could be a good option. He had a pretty good time with the Stewart team before the Jag takeover.

Bibendum · 11 Apr 2002, 13:09 (Ref:257235)

djb -- I believe I saw it both at itv-f1.com and at f1racing.net.

Classic -- you could be right; but from Rubens' point of view, I can't see wishing to have a car that shows no sign of race-winning potential when one is already driving one of the best cars on the grid. From the point of view of fans, I agree that it'd be fun to see someone else driving the 'second' Ferrari...my choice would be JPM: that would be a happy and harmonious team. MS would never wear it, of course; I think he wants a tame neophyte like Massa who will respect him -- which is to say, stay back -- until he, MS, is ready to go.

Ferrari probably leaked the humiliating details of this manoeuvre in order to pressure Rubens. It's incredible to me that they'll cough up $25,000,000 for MS and balk at $5 for Rubens, when Raikkonen is making $8 at McLaren. But nothing about these pay scales is specially rational (except that Mazzacane wasn't being paid; *that* was rational

).

calais · 11 Apr 2002, 13:53 (Ref:257267)

poor rubie, he gets treated like sh**, gets to drive superseded models that keep on breaking down, and now he has to take a pay cut to probably pay for TFG's new jet or whatever

f1manoz · 11 Apr 2002, 14:15 (Ref:257303)

Perhaps this new 'deal' will be an incentive to make RB perform even better. Knowing your seat is under direct threat usually brings the best out in a driver. Nothing like a bit of pressure.....

However, IMO it's all hot wind from Ferrari. I'm still of the opinion that RB will be at Ferrari next year.

**Stephen Green** · 11 Apr 2002, 15:25 (Ref:257355)

The truth of the matter is that whoever goes to Ferarri while Mickey the \shoe is there, HAS to be a number 2 driver unless the forementioned is injured. Rubens knew that when he joined Ferarri despite what he may have said at the time. Mickey destroys most of his partners as was said before. Martin Brundle, Johnny Herbert and now Rubens. Someone at some time is going to realise that to drive a bright red car is not the be and end all of Formula 1.

Sato san · 11 Apr 2002, 16:06 (Ref:257364)

thats very true , although he did know what he was letting him self in for when he went there , i still feel quite sorry for him , as although he is not a all time great , it must be hard for him knowing that even if he gives 110% to Ferrari , Ferrari will only give him 60% back .

Nicholas · 11 Apr 2002, 18:16 (Ref:257442)

Rubens said in today's press conference that it was "bull ****." I'm taking his word for it. If Ferrari was treating him badly, he'd let the world know.

Bibendum · 11 Apr 2002, 18:24 (Ref:257447)

Aha; interesting. I haven't seen the press from today. So maybe the psych job, if any, is from outside Ferrari. Mind you, although in the past Rubens would have been the first to go public with this sort of stuff, perhaps he really has decided not to air his grievances, and is (for the time being) toeing some kind of (scarlet) party line.

Still, Occam's razor urges us toward the simplest explanation, so if Rubens says it ain't so, I'll believe him until we have some evidence to the contrary.

Mr V · 11 Apr 2002, 19:07 (Ref:257464)

Quote:

Originally posted by nicholaswhite
If Ferrari was treating him badly, he'd let the world know.

Depends how badly he wants to stay doesn't it! At the end of the day, (or mid season at least) he, along with virtually every other driver won't know where their future lies until jpm's future is certain!

mariov · 11 Apr 2002, 20:04 (Ref:257559)

Quote:

Originally posted by nicholaswhite
Rubens said in today's press conference that it was "bull ****." I'm taking his word for it. If Ferrari was treating him badly, he'd let the world know.

Yes all those comments where so ridiculous....his complanning to ferrari, his not being please in using the f12001...them offering him a new contract with a pay reductions....all completly made up....

Wrex · 11 Apr 2002, 21:56 (Ref:257639)

Full transcript at Formula1.com

Quote:

From Formula1.com - FIA Thursday Press Conference
Q: A story came out at the weekend that you will have to take a pay cut to stay at Ferrari. What can you say about it?
RB: In fact I just heard it from Ross. He said it was in the British press. I mean it is such bull **** that it is not even worth to comment because I am here to race and Ferrari keeps me here because they love me racing the car so if they don't like me to be there they are going to tell me to go home or to go and find another team. But a pay cut because of what? What did I do wrong? In the first three races I was leading, in fact, when I had my problems, so it is just somebody else, when they have nothing to do, just inventing things. I never told my salary so nobody is going to ever know anyway.

As usual, the press are full of BS.

Valve Bounce · 11 Apr 2002, 22:09 (Ref:257646)

Quote:

Originally posted by Bibendum
It's incredible to me that they'll cough up $25,000,000 for MS and balk at $5 for Rubens, when Raikkonen is making $8 at McLaren. But nothing about these pay scales is specially rational (except that Mazzacane wasn't being paid; *that* was rational ).

That Raikkonen fella must be good, seeing that JPM is only getting 1.5 million from Frank.

Mekola · 12 Apr 2002, 01:06 (Ref:257699)

With Schumacher is fighting in strong form and is able to equal the most quantity of World Championships it's logical he will have more support than Barrichello.

calais · 12 Apr 2002, 01:09 (Ref:257701)

yeah valve bounce, but frank is known as a notorious tightars*!!!!!!!

rollhoop · 12 Apr 2002, 01:25 (Ref:257709)

Just thinking about how awesome the championship would be if all of the big 3 plus 2 of the little teams were fighting for the championship all the way to Suzuka. I get excited just thinking about it. Too bad it wont happen...

Valve Bounce · 12 Apr 2002, 01:38 (Ref:257718)

Actually, it would be exciting just to see the drivers of the top three teams fighting for the podium, and that may be the case sometime this year. And towards the end of this season, or maybe even before that, Renault will make their move, that's my feeling.

Mania · 12 Apr 2002, 02:12 (Ref:257752)

If anyone should be forced to take a pay cut - its my buddy Villeneuve. Pollock got him a sweetheart deal from BAT but Jacques sure as hell doesent deserve to be the 2nd highest paid driver in F1.

Valve Bounce · 12 Apr 2002, 02:33 (Ref:257770)

The way things are going for him, driving for one of the top teams for a token sum would probably be the smartest move. Remember Senna offered to drive for Frank for nothing.

rollhoop · 12 Apr 2002, 03:05 (Ref:257789)

^^^^^Damn good point VB!!

senna12 · 12 Apr 2002, 03:15 (Ref:257793)

But would Williams, Mac, or Renault take Rubens, even for a token sum? I should think that as far as racing in a top team is concerned, Rubens has about shot his wad in the Ferrari. They have found him wanting, I believe. I suspect that Ferrari thinks they could find a cheaper, more user friendly teammate for Michael, since whoever this person is, he won't find himself any closer to Mike than Rubens was.
Of course, JPM would be an entirely different kettle of fish.

All of this speculation is going to increase as the season progresses, and the longer JP remains unsigned for '03, the louder it will be. This is great!

Valve, I agree with you that Renault are really on to something, and could overtake Mac for 3rd by seasons end.

Turmoil at Mercedes and Ilmor is having an effect this year, for sure.

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