flexi-wings

marzF1rocks · 11 May 2006, 10:56 (Ref:1605882)

After all the complaning some of Ferrari's rivals want to adopt the wings.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=35858

Sodemo · 11 May 2006, 11:33 (Ref:1605899)

Yep, this has been the story of the season so far and it seems as though the FIA has given the OK to this wing design.

No doubt we will see these new wings from other teams by Monaco.

Pingguest · 11 May 2006, 11:36 (Ref:1605902)

Well, almost all teams have flexibel wings. I don't see why only Ferrari should be penalished.

Sodemo · 11 May 2006, 11:41 (Ref:1605905)

I think what the teams are referring to (and what they are now incorporating into their wings) is the specific "slot gap" closing design.

I think all wings flex under load, its bound to happen, but what degree it occurs is open to question.

marzF1rocks · 11 May 2006, 11:51 (Ref:1605908)

I really Don't think theres anything wrong with the flexiable wing. Surly it helps on windy days ansd gives more arodynamics.

Can't wait to see everyone else in action with it.
Wouldn't imagine it would make that much of a difference

browney · 11 May 2006, 11:55 (Ref:1605912)

I assume that the wing is legal because, even though it moves, it passes the FIA's tests. I wonder if it will be legal next year though, or will the rules be changed to test for this type of movement?

Wet marshal · 11 May 2006, 11:55 (Ref:1605913)

It't RED BULL'S FAULT.........................as it say's on their car's advertising "It give's you wings"

marzF1rocks · 11 May 2006, 12:03 (Ref:1605919)

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Originally Posted by Wet marshal

It't RED BULL'S FAULT.........................as it say's on their car's advertising "It give's you wings"

lol thats funny, Red Bull were one of the teams that didn't complain about maybe cause they hadn't got a leg to stand on.. gives ya wings

Mr V · 11 May 2006, 19:56 (Ref:1606245)

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Originally Posted by marzF1rocks

After all the complaning some of Ferrari's rivals want to adopt the wings.

A simple case of, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. The other team's felt Ferrari were running an illegal car, the FIA deemed not, so the other team's have been given the green light to adopt Ferrari's interpretation of the rules.

Hugh Jarce · 11 May 2006, 20:09 (Ref:1606268)

Looks like another case of impotent FIA.

Let's not upset Ferrari so best action is to let everyone else do the same, that's unless another team come up with a ground breaking innovation like, for example, Renault's old track sensing launch control, which must be banned.

Mind you Ferrari clearly need support from the FIA now in order to compete with the best.

Inigo Montoya · 11 May 2006, 22:01 (Ref:1606417)

Yes, it is all an FIA conspiracy for Ferrari to win again.

Please. They have passed all the scrutineering tests, including the ones especially designed to check for the requisite amount of wing rigidity. It passed, therefore it is legal. What is the controversy here?

**Adam43** · 11 May 2006, 22:19 (Ref:1606440)

I second the

There are issues to be discussed here. Indeed they have been discussed. And this is a new development, or at least an indication that some new wings are going to be introduced! All of which is interesting and will have repercussions, but can we discuss it? Nah, it is all an FIA conspiracy.

We've seen the rules and followed what has happened and it is clear was the situation is. However we now find out some teams will change their wings. Will they get much more performance from it? Who will gain most? Well presumably not Ferrari.

I wonder if there is much gain to be have and whether these require large changes. Maybe some teams will push this too far and end up falling foul of the test in scrutineering.

This re-ignition of the issue seems to focus more on the rear wing and the slot gaps between them. Would it be fair to say that the advantage in the design on the rear is to decrease drag and the advantage of these designs on the front it to aid flow at high speed to other parts of the car?

Dutton · 12 May 2006, 06:08 (Ref:1606668)

It should be noted that Ferrari have not been alone in all of this, it is just that they have seemingly had the most extreme example. It goes a bit beyond that, though, as Ferrari gets a hell of a lot of attention from us and the media at the best of times: Ferrari being bad is far more exciting than someone else being bad.

It is just the final step in the process. It has become clear to the teams where the ground lies, therefore they will now produce their best attempt within that context.

There has been nothing unusual about this process. It has happened numerous times in the past, and it will continue to.

It has never been about cheating. It has been about interpretation (both from the team perspective, and from the FIA perspective), and the clarifying there of.

With a bit of luck this can be the end of the "(non)controversy" and we can start to look at it all from a technical standpoint instead (i.e. comparing the solutions of the different teams), which, personally, I find rather more interesting.

(Ferrari can still be evil, something has to be, it seems human nature cannot be satisfied without some form of villain.)

trevisio · 12 May 2006, 08:49 (Ref:1606781)

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jarce

Looks like another case of impotent FIA.

Let's not upset Ferrari so best action is to let everyone else do the same, that's unless another team come up with a ground breaking innovation like, for example, Renault's old track sensing launch control, which must be banned.

Mind you Ferrari clearly need support from the FIA now in order to compete with the best.

Agree 100% with that

As if it wasn't enough to re-introduce tyre changes for Ferrari/Bridgestone

Red · 12 May 2006, 10:24 (Ref:1606864)

I third the

At first I wasn't bothered to reply to that, however I couldn't resist and have to ask you a few questions.

1) If they didn't want to upset Ferrari/Bridgestone, wouldn't have been easier, cheaper and more subtle to not ban the tyre changes in the first place? Or all sporting and technical regulations in past years for that matter. Sorry, your conspiracy theories fail elementary logic.

2) (Unless my sarcasm detection skills have been severely diminished over past years) While I understand that detecting the track start signals is a smart and inovative piece of engineering work, I do fail however to see how this is not blatant cheating attempt. The 2 cases are hardly similar.

Hein · 12 May 2006, 10:37 (Ref:1606871)

Let them copy!! Then they will finally shut up about it being "illegal", and think of something else to complain about.

Next thing you know, TGF will be using steroids to compete with the young guys.

Utterly ridiculous.

Dutton · 12 May 2006, 14:19 (Ref:1607068)

Hmmm. That is an over-reaction.

The parties who protested were not doing anything unreasonable, unfair, or ridiculous.

They were doing what they should: defending their interests.

Glen · 12 May 2006, 14:28 (Ref:1607079)

It isn't at all ridiculous to complain about this - the FIA tests essentially check if the whole wing moves downwards, the Ferrari wing does something different. Before anyone goes off on a "blimin' ridiculous" "having a go at Ferrari" rant they should at least understand the ins and outs of the issue a little bit.

I agree that the best response to the other teams would be to join them.

marzF1rocks · 12 May 2006, 15:46 (Ref:1607162)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Hmmm. That is an over-reaction.

The parties who protested were not doing anything unreasonable, unfair, or ridiculous.

They were doing what they should: defending their interests.

I don't have a problem with the teams protesting, but there morals arn't exactly in place.

If You make a decison to complain about something, stick to it, not join them

Knowlesy · 12 May 2006, 15:48 (Ref:1607168)

It doesn't go like that.

They have complained to try and get the situation changed. It hasn't and therefore they have no choice but to join Ferrari by using flexi-wings in order to be competitive.

In theory at least.

marzF1rocks · 12 May 2006, 15:51 (Ref:1607174)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

It doesn't go like that.

They have complained to try and get the situation changed. It hasn't and therefore they have no choice but to join Ferrari by using flexi-wings in order to be competitive.

In theory at least.

Oh ok, I miss inteprated it.

these ever changing rules keep us on our toes

Sodemo · 12 May 2006, 16:35 (Ref:1607217)

Except when the other teams have them and Ferrari no longer have an advantage (as everyone is running them) they will ban them...

Mr V · 12 May 2006, 19:56 (Ref:1607349)

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Originally Posted by marzF1rocks

I don't have a problem with the teams protesting, but there morals arn't exactly in place.

If You make a decison to complain about something, stick to it, not join them

But if the thing you complain about is deemed legal, you are then entitled to use it.

Put it this way, when Ferrari complained about McLaren's brake steer pedal in 1998, had the FIA over ruled their complaint, do you think Ferrari wouldn't have tried to develope their own system?

The rules set out by the FIA are so "open to interpretation" that it's only when teams challange something that another team does, that we seem to get true clarification on the rule.

Inigo Montoya · 12 May 2006, 20:47 (Ref:1607386)

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Originally Posted by Glen

It isn't at all ridiculous to complain about this - the FIA tests essentially check if the whole wing moves downwards, the Ferrari wing does something different.

Right. The Ferrari wing does something different. So it is not against the rules. So its, as you put it, "blimin ridiculous" that anyone should think the FIA is somehow favouring them.

marzF1rocks · 13 May 2006, 16:08 (Ref:1608722)

After watching qualfying today, i noticed that itv are trying to say that ferrrari do definatly have thse wings. And thats what makes them great down the straights

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