Spa Classic Touring cars

[Alex E]

I received an entry form from Peter Auto for the Spa Classic May 24-26 in which there are races for U2TC and later Group 1 & 2 cars. There are two one hour races for each Group, one day & one night race.
Alex

[zefarelly]

I didn't . . .but it sounds good.

http://spa-classic.com/index.php?lang=en

http://www.peter-auto-racing.com/

I've just put an application into the management . . .

[terence]

Yep,has the potential of being the event of the year.

[Mike Bell]

Alex, any idea on tyres for later cars? I have no experience of racing with Peter Autos, do they accept cars without period race history?

Price not out of the ball park for 3 practices and 2 hours racing at Spa.....

[Duddha]

Hi everyone,

as I am now working for Peter Auto, if you have any questions concerning the Spa Classic event and the Touring Car races, I am here to answer them.

You can send me a PM or an email directly to the following adress : lquiniou@peter.fr

Concerning the cars and regulations, we will accept all touring cars providing they comply with their FIA homologation form.

We will have two grids :

- The first one for under 2000cc pre 66 Touring Cars.
- The second one for pre 85 Group 1 and Group 2 (Over 2000cc pre 66 will race in this grid).

For the tyres, we will run threaded tyres only such as :

- Pre 66 : Tyres with treaded pattern all over width - e.g.: Avon CR6ZZ, Dunlop Historic and such.
- Pre 85 : Tyres with treaded pattern all over width - e.g.: Avon "Historic All Weather", Avon CR6ZZ, Dunlop post historic (compound 204) and such.

Rain tyres or tyres with modern patterns (post 1984) are forbidden.

The full regulations will be online mid January. Any questions, just ask !

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Duddha

Hi everyone,

as I am now working for Peter Auto, if you have any questions concerning the Spa Classic event and the Touring Car races, I am here to answer them.

Thanks Louis. You have answered the question I asked. Treaded tyres only, so I wont be able to enter as my eligible car runs on slicks.

Meeting on Brands GP same weekend so not too disappointed......

Regards, Mike

[zefarelly]

I'm extremely keen on this, looks like a cracking meeting. And I don't nee dto do or change anything on the car either.

[GORDON STREETER]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

I'm extremely keen on this, looks like a cracking meeting. And I don't nee dto do or change anything on the car either.

Mmm not a 2 driver is it Joe ? (just lazing in a beach bar atmo)

[Hunter1300]

Shame about the tyre thing....

It kind of rules out a lot of group 2 cars running in the masters an motor racing legends series.

[zefarelly]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

Mmm not a 2 driver is it Joe ? (just lazing in a beach bar atmo)

I don't know . . .possibly

[zefarelly]

I don't know what is period correct for 70's . . . but if Peter Auto wants FiA cars then it'll be FiA tyres, the CTCRC run those tyres, as do the HSCC? I know roadsports don't, but they're special!

[Alex E]

Very dissapointed about the tyre rule. It basically rules out every CSL, Capri, Camaro, Jaguar, 635, etc....

[Moosehead]

I have no vested interest as I don't have a suitable car but am I missing something - surely if the cars ran in period on slicks and are running to homologated spec then shouldn't that what they run on now? If not then what really is the point of this FIA stuff?

[Alex E]

The biggest problem being that nearly all of the big class cars from 1973 on we using 16" diameter wheels to accomodate bigger brakes.
So far as I am aware these treaded tyres are not available in 16" & are half the width of the original slicks anyway. Maybe OK for Escorts, 2002`s, Golf etc....

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Alex E

The biggest problem being that nearly all of the big class cars from 1973 on we using 16" diameter wheels to accomodate bigger brakes.
So far as I am aware these treaded tyres are not available in 16" & are half the width of the original slicks anyway. Maybe OK for Escorts, 2002`s, Golf etc....

Not OK either for 1974 Escorts running period correct 15" wheels! If can get width diameter is wrong..... That's why some run 13" and smaller brakes to give them more choice.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Moosehead

I have no vested interest as I don't have a suitable car but am I missing something - surely if the cars ran in period on slicks and are running to homologated spec then shouldn't that what they run on now? If not then what really is the point of this FIA stuff?

Homologation papers don't cover tyres, just homologated wheel widths and diameters, brakes, etc. The relevant App J for the period provides allowable mods.

Depending on the period, Group 2 was highly modified with larger diameter wheels, bigger brakes etc. From around 1970 the tyres were slicks.

Joe, the CTCRC tyres are free although most run Toyos.

[terence]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Not OK either for 1974 Escorts running period correct 15" wheels! If can get width diameter is wrong..... That's why some run 13" and smaller brakes to give them more choice.

Same for the Capri Mike but the ZZs will be good.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Same for the Capri Mike but the ZZs will be good.

I've investigated Avons Terence, but would finish up on my car with a compromise on wheel widths and / or gear ratios! If I could get perfect size would be my choice.

[terence]

Cobras etc seem to manage OK though,bigger range of tyres than there used to be.
RE handbrake,you weren't tempted to use the Sierra versions then?

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Cobras etc seem to manage OK though,bigger range of tyres than there used to be.
RE handbrake,you weren't tempted to use the Sierra versions then?

Think Cobras run bigger diameter. My slicks are 21.5" dia and not possible to find an equivalent period treaded tyre that small and 10.7" wide. I have about 1mm arch clearance as is! (But 1mm is enough- less not so )

You've lost me on handbrake comment! I've got historic AP rear calipers and no hub / disc handbrake mech.....

[Duddha]

Considering the tyres, we are still working on the rules and they will be confirmed mid January.

From our point of view, the Avon Historic All Weather is a slick tyre on which the Classic Endurance Racing (CER) is running
For prototypes and GTs as well. It is basically a slick molded with the thread and there are 3 choice of compound.

So the sizes should be avalaible for everyone.

Why are we considering to run the touring car races on those tyres is simple, the cars can run on dry and wet track with the
Same tyres and also, considering the weather can change rapidly in Spa, it would be safer to run the cars with theses tyres,
Particularly during the night races.

Of course, nothing has been decided yet, we are still thinking about the regulations and open to hearing your point of view.

Here is my email : lquiniou@peter.fr

[terence]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Think Cobras run bigger diameter. My slicks are 21.5" dia and not possible to find an equivalent period treaded tyre that small and 10.7" wide. I have about 1mm arch clearance as is! (But 1mm is enough- less not so )

You've lost me on handbrake comment! I've got historic AP rear calipers and no hub / disc handbrake mech.....

Same here,when going over to disc's every one wants to sell you the latter type sliding callipers,you mentioned elsewhere that it was a problem not having a problem without a h/brake.

[zefarelly]

Well I'll be playing on my over priced Dunlop 'Slipwell nevergrips'

Have emails Louis, and Peter, and consulted my Co driver . . . The management has approved the proposal, I just hope some of the Dutch Cortina GT lads come out as well, give me someone to race with.

[Duddha]

Here are all the details concerning the Avon Historic All Weather tyres :

http://www.avonmotorsport.com/histor...0all%20weather

Let me know your thoughts. Louis. lquiniou@peter.fr

[Duddha]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

Well I'll be playing on my over priced Dunlop 'Slipwell nevergrips'

Have emails Louis, and Peter, and consulted my Co driver . . . The management has approved the proposal, I just hope some of the Dutch Cortina GT lads come out as well, give me someone to race with.

Hi Joe,

just sent you an answer to your email

Louis.