Something very interesting. Don't miss this one, Al!

COLIN STUBBS · 3 Jan 2007, 18:15 (Ref:1805373)

I havnt seen this since I was a lad... check out youtube 1971 saloon car championship and scroll down the page for parts one and two of the Iberia Trophy

Podd37 · 3 Jan 2007, 20:42 (Ref:1805507)

What was all that? Wierd stuff called...overtaking! And how can you call yourself a racing driver if you dont push the other guy off??
Great piece of film, great racing and I know I can race historics now cos I remember and even saw some of those guys race! Ah getting old........

Eddy V · 3 Jan 2007, 21:25 (Ref:1805549)

Great stuff. That was what it all used to be about.

See here.

COLIN STUBBS · 3 Jan 2007, 21:48 (Ref:1805577)

yep. shame its not in colour.that was one very pink escort of norman abbott on the second row. and next to it the weird sounding Lawrencetune Martin V8 engined escort of robin gray. racing at its best!!!!

COLIN STUBBS · 3 Jan 2007, 21:48 (Ref:1805576)

more of the same please!!

Podd37 · 4 Jan 2007, 01:00 (Ref:1805735)

While we're looking at Crystal Palace, check out this guy trying to kill himself in a mini...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWp-0...related&search=

big andy · 4 Jan 2007, 20:19 (Ref:1806535)

was this race a special saloon race?

COLIN STUBBS · 4 Jan 2007, 22:19 (Ref:1806641)

ye. osram special saloon car championship. reckon i can remember seeing em at cadwell that year when gerry had a bit of a punch up with dave brodie.and that lawrencetune escort made a pigs ear of charlies..

RAP · 5 Jan 2007, 09:10 (Ref:1806854)

"While we're looking at Crystal Palace, check out this guy trying to kill himself in a mini..."
The Crystal Palace footage is Whitsun 64 BRSCC Saloon Car Championship Group 2(predecesor of BTCC). The Lotus Cortinas are, of course, #57 Clark & 58 Arundell. Jack Sears in the Galaxie blew a tyre at North Tower. The #77 Mini that crashed at Ramp in practice was Edward Lewis.
Source "A Record of Motor Racing at Crystal Palace"
RAP

VIVA GT · 5 Jan 2007, 10:05 (Ref:1806887)

Quote:

Originally Posted by COLIN STUBBS

I havnt seen this since I was a lad... check out youtube 1971 saloon car championship and scroll down the page for parts one and two of the Iberia Trophy

I think this is where I take up my usual position and point out that Mike Crabtree jumped the start in his Escort, landing a 10 second penalty. This means that Gerry Marshall actually won the race (and explains why he's so excited, waving at the end).
OK, biased rant over, going to take my Griffin for a walk now...

RAP · 5 Jan 2007, 12:42 (Ref:1807395)

Mike Crabtree jumped the start in his Escort, landing a 10 second penalty. This means that Gerry Marshall actually won the race (and explains why he's so excited, waving at

Actually it was a 60 second penalty so Crabtree was classified 9th.

Al Weyman · 5 Jan 2007, 13:33 (Ref:1807433)

Cant see the link Colin or am I being thick?

Andrew Kitson · 5 Jan 2007, 13:57 (Ref:1807448)

100 great sporting moments - Crystal Palace Special Saloons '71
part one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5zdnGvT0c
part two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDAK4...elated&search=

davyboy · 5 Jan 2007, 14:56 (Ref:1807545)

My God that gives you goosebumps doesn't it. If you factor in that there on the day the air would be filled with the aroma of R30 as well. Incredible stuff. Brilliant.

Andrew Kitson · 5 Jan 2007, 15:07 (Ref:1807558)

The Palace was just fantastic - a short but fast circuit about the same length as Mallory. I wasn't there that day but was for many other meetings. Can you imagine a full field of quick F2 cars there - mindblowing! It called for precise driving with those close walls made from hard railway sleepers and no girly gravel traps. Great days gone forever, you would not be able to have open exhausts again in inner London anyway. Can it really be 35 years since the track closed?

VIVA GT · 5 Jan 2007, 16:20 (Ref:1807622)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAP

Mike Crabtree jumped the start in his Escort, landing a 10 second penalty. This means that Gerry Marshall actually won the race (and explains why he's so excited, waving at

Actually it was a 60 second penalty so Crabtree was classified 9th.

Even better! Thanks for putting me right. ("Did you hear that Griffin, 60 seconds penalty?")

Dan Rear · 5 Jan 2007, 16:34 (Ref:1807629)

Sorry for my ignorance chaps, but who was driving the 2 big Yank Tanks? Also what engine did the Crabtree Escort have?

Eddy V · 5 Jan 2007, 16:41 (Ref:1807638)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Kitson

The Palace was just fantastic - a short but fast circuit about the same length as Mallory.... Can it really be 35 years since the track closed?

Now that is a place I would have loved to see in its heyday, shame I never made it.

Andrew Kitson · 5 Jan 2007, 16:45 (Ref:1807642)

Dan, Martin Thomas from Biggleswade in the 'Ovaltine' Camaro, the other that started at the back was I think Martin Birrane's Mustang. Not sure on Crabtree's engine in his RS1600, it had a 1992cc motor the following year in Group 2.

davyboy · 5 Jan 2007, 16:51 (Ref:1807645)

That was Mondello Park owner Martin Birrane in the Boss Mustang. It was an ex-Trans Am car that he brought over from the US. There's some more about the car here.
http://www.ponysite.de/transam_birrane.htm

Chris Griffin · 5 Jan 2007, 20:45 (Ref:1807750)

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

("Did you hear that Griffin, 60 seconds penalty?")

Yes yes I hear you VIVA! Bit harsh I thought considering the entertainment he brought to the party!

That is really wonderful footage that I have been waxing on about for years. I've got it on Betamax somewhere but am loathed to spend the £100 required to buy a player on Ebay!

Al Weyman · 6 Jan 2007, 08:55 (Ref:1807991)

Get it converted chris, I did this for a US IROC video, it was not a fortune, do a Google.

Al Weyman · 6 Jan 2007, 09:07 (Ref:1808000)

I was at the Palace crewing for Roger Nathan when he debuted the BMW engined open top Costin Nathan GT, great place, shame we lost the new engine due to someone failing to tighten up the oil cooler hoses (not me I swear) after a ghoster the night before.

Alan Raine · 6 Jan 2007, 17:04 (Ref:1808288)

Quote:

Originally Posted by davyboy

My God that gives you goosebumps doesn't it. If you factor in that there on the day the air would be filled with the aroma of R30 as well. Incredible stuff. Brilliant.

Oh the smell of Castrol R

I knew it wouldn't be to long before someone found a copy of this online.

I went to nearly all the CP meetings from late 69 until it closed in 73, so saw this race as it happened. The only thing is you can only be in one place at a time (I was at North Tower) so only saw part of the lap. I couldn't believe it when I saw the race on TV and caught up on the bits I missed.

All we need now is the Dave Morgan/James Hunt punch up - that was a classic!

**Peter Mallett** · 7 Jan 2007, 16:12 (Ref:1808886)

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

I think this is where I take up my usual position and point out that Mike Crabtree jumped the start in his Escort, landing a 10 second penalty. This means that Gerry Marshall actually won the race (and explains why he's so excited, waving at the end).
OK, biased rant over, going to take my Griffin for a walk now...

Among the many beers, er conversations I was privileged to have with big Ger, that one came back the most.

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