Zonda at 1000 kms of Le Mans in November

Fab · 23 Sep 2003, 07:15 (Ref:727317)

According to Jérôme Mugnier, the Pagani Zonda will be back at 1000 kms of Le Mans in November with a new 7.0 liters engine and a X-track box...

pirenzo · 23 Sep 2003, 07:21 (Ref:727329)

(- Except, wait, is that the butt ugly one?)

**FIRE** · 23 Sep 2003, 16:18 (Ref:727864)

Good news!

I hope they have found some relibility.

Liz · 23 Sep 2003, 16:22 (Ref:727867)

No, the Zonda is the beautiful car that is slower than the Prost GP car ever was. Or at least the only 2 times I have seen it run, that was it.

Next to my Spyker, the Zonda is my favourite car and I hope to see it on the track again soon.

**FIRE** · 23 Sep 2003, 16:29 (Ref:727875)

Quote:

Originally posted by Liz
No, the Zonda is the beautiful car that is slower than the Prost GP car ever was. Or at least the only 2 times I have seen it run, that was it.

???????
Every GT car is slower than a GP car (even a Minardi).

slicktsax · 23 Sep 2003, 17:17 (Ref:727919)

that's pretty cool news, i thought i read that in the Autosport magazine though. well anyway i thought that car looked really nice. too bad it won't be at the Petite lemans. and too bad the larbre viper won't be at petite either. i mean i'm sure they could probably get some funds to run one car since they aren't running the FIA GT anymore, i mean they ran a car at lemans and 2 cars at Spa. anyway i hope to see that pagoni more next year

**Aysedasi** · 23 Sep 2003, 18:01 (Ref:727959)

I think the Zonda is quite a looker, personally.....

**PascaLM** · 23 Sep 2003, 18:31 (Ref:727991)

aaaaaH ! Good news, let's prepare our ears to the melodious V12 of this nice team.
They are able to cover the 1000 kms, I suppose.

pirenzo · 23 Sep 2003, 19:20 (Ref:728031)

Quote:

Originally posted by FIRE
???????
Every GT car is slower than a GP car (even a Minardi).

All sportscars these days are slower than a minardi, including protos. Less grip and 250bhp less power won't get you anywhere near F1 pace. I think the ALMS at Silvstone in 2000 were about 10 seconds off the pace of the grand prix cars that year.

EliseGT1 · 23 Sep 2003, 19:24 (Ref:728036)

Personally I think the Zonda is one of those special cars which give these races a 'special taste'. Le Mans would be less attractive if you could only see 20 Porsche GT3's, 5 360's and 25 Audi's. My opinion is: the more variety in cars, the more fun! Especially all those 90's GT cars.......

Bring back the Morgan Aero 8, Callaway C12, Lister Storm, Lotus Elise GT1, Nissan Skyline, Toyota Supra, Marcos LM600 and also give us a Ford GT, Lambo Murcielago and a BMW M3 V8 GTR.

And let's keep the TVR, Pagani and Spyker.......

**FIRE** · 23 Sep 2003, 20:03 (Ref:728071)

Quote:

Originally posted by EliseGT1
Personally I think the Zonda is one of those special cars which give these races a 'special taste'. Le Mans would be less attractive if you could only see 20 Porsche GT3's, 5 360's and 25 Audi's. My opinion is: the more variety in cars, the more fun! Especially all those 90's GT cars.......

Bring back the Morgan Aero 8, Callaway C12, Lister Storm, Lotus Elise GT1, Nissan Skyline, Toyota Supra, Marcos LM600 and also give us a Ford GT, Lambo Murcielago and a BMW M3 V8 GTR.

And let's keep the TVR, Pagani and Spyker.......

I totally agree, but often the problem with these exotic cars is their relibility.

slicktsax · 23 Sep 2003, 21:41 (Ref:728155)

yeah but given time the exotics will become reliable, look how many years it took the prodrive 550 to be reliable, it debuted in the FIA gt in 2001 and only became capable of finishing a 24 hour race this year so given time the exotics will become reliable and word has it that Lamborghini may still develop a race version out of the Gallardo for the N/GT class in the FIA GT and the Gt class in the ALMS i read that in Autosport. personally i would love to see a GTS class car made out of the Aston Martin Vanquish

Liz · 24 Sep 2003, 01:08 (Ref:728252)

Quote:

Originally posted by FIRE
???????
Every GT car is slower than a GP car (even a Minardi).

Okay RELATIVE TO THE GRID IT'S ON, then. The Prost GP car was one mph faster than a brick. So was the Zonda until it broke down after 5 laps.

Sorry I wasn't clear on that metaphor. I will try harder next time.

Patrick B · 24 Sep 2003, 01:36 (Ref:728263)

Sorry but the Carsport Zonda is a joke. I like Zonda's but Carsport is not the right outfit to be tunning a supercar. They can't even get good result's with a proven package, the GTS-R.

Karl Kling · 24 Sep 2003, 12:56 (Ref:728687)

What do you mean? Carsport was quite succesful in FIA GT with their GTS-R.

slicktsax · 24 Sep 2003, 16:13 (Ref:728841)

dude give them time, in the previous years they were successful with the GTS-R's but in an effort to make them faster to keep up with the competition they got new parts which aren't endurance tested yet so they break down, just give them time and they will work it out. remeber the corvettes weren't winning cars till 2001, yeah they won twice in 2000 but overall their cars still broke down and the vipers will still faster. just give the team time

Garp · 24 Sep 2003, 18:35 (Ref:728988)

Carsport ain't capable for the job.
Serious i have spend one year with the team.

They have the knowledge to run a car or develope a car. They even have the money. But they lack management. Mister Toine is a very inteligent devoted man, but he lacks patience. They always stay a gentleman race team. For Toine it's pure fun, he doesn't have the need for earning money or attracting sponsors, there is no responsibility from him to anyone. So the only way they ever will go professional is when they attract a manager who has total leadership. When this happens there is no more Carsport because Team Carsport=Toine.

Sorry, correct me if i'm wrong, but this is my opininon.
I hope this ends the Carsport ain't/is capable discussions on this forum.

slicktsax · 24 Sep 2003, 19:33 (Ref:729032)

alright dude i'll take ur word for it then. well than that's too bad about the pagoni i guess, i really wanted to see what the car can do. i thought i read in Autosport like a month ago that a brtish team was going to develop a pagoni but i'm not sure

**FIRE** · 24 Sep 2003, 19:41 (Ref:729039)

Quote:

Originally posted by slicktsax
a brtish team was going to develop a pagoni but i'm not sure

I think you are right.

EliseGT1 · 24 Sep 2003, 20:09 (Ref:729081)

Quote:

Originally posted by FIRE
I totally agree, but often the problem with these exotic cars is their relibility.

I have some examples of some GT cars that WERE reliable even while they were relatively new...

Nissan 300ZX Turbo – 5th overall Le Mans 1994: 1st year
McLaren F1 – 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th overall Le Mans 1995: 1st year
Honda NSX – 8th overall Le Mans 1995: 2nd year
Callaway Corvette – 9th and 11th overall Le Mans 1995: 1st year
Nissan Skyline GT-R – 10th overall Le Mans 1995: 1st year
Chrysler Viper GTS-R – 10th overall Le Mans 1996: 1st year
Corvette C5R – 10th and 11th overall Le Mans 2000: 1st year
Saleen S7-R – 18th overall Le Mans 2001 – 1st year
Ferrari 550 Maranello – 10th overall Le Mans 2003 – 2nd year

slicktsax · 24 Sep 2003, 20:19 (Ref:729086)

i guess i should mention that the saleen S7-R in 2001 at lemans wasn't as reliable as u think, yes one finished the race but the one that did dropped a cylinder and finished the race on 7 cylinders while the other one had a hole in the engine. there was 3rd saleen but it was involved in that crash in the first few laps of the race and had to retire

pitviper · 24 Sep 2003, 23:46 (Ref:729227)

and as far as the Viper goes, in 1994 the first "true" appearance of a Viper at LM, a more or less road car with a hardtop in place of the standard roadster soft cover finished (i believe) tenth overall, 3rd in class (GT1), behind only the two Dauer Porsche 962LMs'...

pit

slicktsax · 25 Sep 2003, 01:34 (Ref:729255)

oh yeah i forgot about those, one was painted red and teh other yellow. i believe derek bell was talking about it on a race i watched like a year ago and said when they brought those to lemans the front end would lift like at 160 mph

the_fury · 25 Sep 2003, 07:57 (Ref:729455)

I can't believe Elise GTI got away with mentioning the BMW M3 without getting pounced on....

There is a possible British Zonda team in the pipeline. I recently was involved with doing a brochure for them to try to attract sponsorship, though I've not heard anything since. Take a look at:

http://www.esmotorsport.com/?I2.x=23&I2.y=24

cybersdorf · 25 Sep 2003, 09:48 (Ref:729534)

Quote:

Originally posted by the_fury
...

Well, who cares really.

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