New F1

[DanJR1]

just at school and i came up with this formula. what you think?

-Open single seater Aluminium monocoque with a standard carbon safety cell

-No driver aids (ie traction control, launch control etc).

-Bodywork could enclose wheels as the only reason that the wheels arent covered is tradtion!

-All downforce would be made with the underbody so therefore wouldn't be affected as much when drafting

-Engines could be a 2.5 litre 4 cylinder turbo producing around 750hp. 4 per season per car. these could be sealed at the beginning of the season. I dont see why a road car with this type of engine at that power can run for ages and not F1.

-standard ECU using standard software but the teams could programme it themselves. The technology could be kept high by competeting companies against each other fot the contract every 2-3 years

-NOS systems to be used. F1 is losing interest from general public as the cars are boring so after films like Fast and the furious, NOS has a kind of glamrous image.Wouldn't everyone love a NOS button!

-Standard active suspension systems. Is not a driver aid really as all it does is keep the car level and doesnt interfer with driver control

-Carbon brakes

-Bio-ethanol fuel. Means the sport is safe guarded from potential crisis and can be deemed as high technology as its a green, renewable fuel. All it would mean is that the cars would have to carry a larger fuel tank. As its basically alcohol, imagine having "powered by budweiser" on the cover!i believe that alcohol companies could become the next "cigarette sponsors".

-The tracks need to be improved. Now the world is considered to be "smaller" the locations are no longer that glamourous (except for US GP and monaco). They could maybe run on ovals or someone could build a true figure of 8 circuit with high banking or maybe just more street tracks (London GP)

Its just an idea i had really. Who cares if the manufacteurers leave, they just bring loads of money which people become used to and then when they leave, create crisis

[hamsmith]

Hmmmm.

[climb]

Hmmmm too.

[Red]

Hmm no. I mean, not Hmm-no, HELL NO!

I don't know what's really going on, but I do suspect that there's no engineers posting at 1010ths. Sorry guys, but if something goes wrong, and I highlight the word "if" you have 2 options:

1) you precisely and accurately identify problem and decisively act as to correct them

and

2) You don't have a ****ing clue, and then try to change something and see what happens. But one at a time. Changind EVERyTHING doesn't help. You can enforce super ethanol fuel, and this might improve something, but the 2.4 liters V8 engines and active suspension will degrade it, and you'll never know which one did what.

In other words, revolutions suck, or don't kick a pile of poo that is drying and getting a crust.

[Adam43]

red, they are just suggestions and are open to engineering thoughts (or just general thoughts).

The first thing I thought about the list concerned the Aluminium monocoque. You cover the safety aspect with the cell. I think you might as well have a total carbon fibre chassis. However your suggestion reminds me of Max's odd material strength rule suggestion (the reduction in modulus of elasticity). That was the first I'd come across such a suggestion and here is a similar suggestion again!

[krt917]

Originally posted by DanJR1
just at school and i came up with this formula. what you think?

1-Open single seater Aluminium monocoque with a standard carbon safety cell

2-No driver aids (ie traction control, launch control etc).

3-Bodywork could enclose wheels as the only reason that the wheels arent covered is tradtion!

4-All downforce would be made with the underbody so therefore wouldn't be affected as much when drafting

5-Engines could be a 2.5 litre 4 cylinder turbo producing around 750hp. 4 per season per car. these could be sealed at the beginning of the season. I dont see why a road car with this type of engine at that power can run for ages and not F1.

6-standard ECU using standard software but the teams could programme it themselves. The technology could be kept high by competeting companies against each other fot the contract every 2-3 years

7-NOS systems to be used. F1 is losing interest from general public as the cars are boring so after films like Fast and the furious, NOS has a kind of glamrous image.Wouldn't everyone love a NOS button!

8-Standard active suspension systems. Is not a driver aid really as all it does is keep the car level and doesnt interfer with driver control

9-Carbon brakes

10-Bio-ethanol fuel. Means the sport is safe guarded from potential crisis and can be deemed as high technology as its a green, renewable fuel. All it would mean is that the cars would have to carry a larger fuel tank. As its basically alcohol, imagine having "powered by budweiser" on the cover!i believe that alcohol companies could become the next "cigarette sponsors".

11-The tracks need to be improved. Now the world is considered to be "smaller" the locations are no longer that glamourous (except for US GP and monaco). They could maybe run on ovals or someone could build a true figure of 8 circuit with high banking or maybe just more street tracks (London GP)

Taking each thought separately:
1 - See Adam above.
2 - Sounds good.
3 - Also sounds good - potential for variety appeals, though there's no guarantee it would be tried.
4 - Like the idea, but if the underbodies were unlimited the amount of downforce generated could cause safety problems and controversies like those in the early 1980s.
5 - Don't know how you could limit 2.5 turbos to only 750bhp. And I like the idea of different engine configs.
6 - Interesting idea, though leeting the teams play with it could create probelms - they are rather clever!
7 - No, I'm not a fan of NOS. I want a pass to happen because it has been worked for (etc, etc), not because someone has pressed a button.
8 - No strong opinion either way. It's certainly the least annoying of the driver aid bits.
9 - Fine, providing aerodynaimcs had been reduced sufficiently to increase braking distances anyway.
10 - Good idea. Makes the formula relevent. Mind you, I think motor racing might have a problem with alcohol sponsorship in the future (drinking and driving not a good mix!)
11 - Tracks do need improving, but lets leave actual ovals to Indycars!

PS. Wish I'd done this sort of thing at school!!

[DriverT]

Sounds like some kind of dodgy touring car to me.

[Knowlesy]

I never want to see enclosed wheels in F1!!!!

But some good suggestions there I feel. And some bad ones, but hey, this is a debate!

I particularly like No.2 on your list....

[DriverT]

But "no driver aids" yet "active suspension"... I see a contradiction.

[1200Datto27]

Aren't cars like this aready running at Le Mans?

And leave the ovals to the IRL and NASCAR, I want to see a driver turning left and right in the same race.

[ASCII Man]

Acive Suspension isn't really a driver aid.
All it does is keep the car at optimum downforce level at all time (6mm if i recall correctly).

[DriverT]

Hmmmm OK.

[Glen]

Originally posted by ASCII Man
Acive Suspension isn't really a driver aid.
All it does is keep the car at optimum downforce level at all time (6mm if i recall correctly).

If that was all that it did they would still be using it - the best systems were adjusting the attitude of the car constantly around the lap - so you could have high downforce with the car pitched forwards when you needed it, but also low drag down the straights by altering the ride height. I think it eventually got labelled a moveable aerodynamic device as a result and that was one of the things that killed it off.

[JAG]

NOS. No!!!!!!!!!!

The only people that use NOS are those who can't build a good, powerful engine, conventionally.

[avsfan733]

NOS? come one gents if it gets brought up as NOS then we know its not going to work. maybe allow nitrous oxide or some other power booster but using buzzwords like that is the start of a parabolic decent into ridiculousness.

As an engineering student, my opinion is a little different. I have more of an interest in the techinical aspect of the sport. I feel that F1 is incredibly exciting as it is now. I am on the edge of my seat each race. If the rules were opened up as opposed to closed down, the racing would open up even more. The aero rules now are the main problem. they force team to go to extreme legths to develop downforce and the trade off is drafting performance and instability. its not the driver aids, its the driver non-aids such as hair-thin envelopes of cornering performance. And please god no ovals, the cars are already as fast as indy and much faster than NASCAR at indy and they run a road course. Maybe do a few exhibition races in the US to raise interest in real racing as opposed to redneck bumpathons but don't step down to that level just to impress the fans.

Final thought: F1 is about technology, its the fastest and the best and the most innovative don't ever do anything to take that away or you will destroy the soul fo F1. This year with BAR and Mclaren is the best example I can think of

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[Gt_R]

Indeed, i would like F1 to not be artificial..it is important that we don't try to influence the competition too much.

And actually i myself would think that new circuits ought to be longer (and hopefully the longer length is well-used for more opportunity spots) because 70laps isn't very exciting for drivers and spectators, and a longer track actually means less lapping and back-markers getting in the way of racing (especially when lap times are dropping fast). Furthermore, it gives more room for creativity in circuit design other than just tight left-rights.

A reason why F1 has little overtaking is ironically also because cars nowadays are so close in terms of performance. Sure, it makes for close qualifyings at times, but with circuits having short straights, the difference between cars are so small, it makes it hard for a faster car to overtake unless (like what many drivers say), the car behind is 2 or 3 second faster.. A classic example? Look at Imola....

[Skam85]

Add 1 to your list...... Every 4yrs there is to be a non-championship round at the Olympics, and Adelaide and/or Bathurst is to be added on the calendar!!!