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Michelin by a mile.... those tyres are like heaven to the asphalt | 1 | 3.85% | |
Michelin by a tyres thread | 12 | 46.15% | |
Bridgestone by a mile.... so fine are those tyres | 7 | 26.92% | |
Bridgestone by a tyres thread. | 6 | 23.08% | |
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8 Jun 2004, 19:55 (Ref:997706) | #1 | ||
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Michelin Vs Bridgestone?
Well at the start of the year everyone agreed that this was going to be Michelin's year.... yet Bridgestone have worked hard and managed to win 6 of the 7 GP's held this year.
However you have to look at what Michelin have done for Bar.. they have improved leaps and bounds but you cant credit all of that improvement to a simple change in tires... So a simple question... Which is the better company at this present time? Michelin or Bridgestone. |
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8 Jun 2004, 20:10 (Ref:997721) | #2 | ||
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I was hoping there'd be a Ferrari-influenced Bridgestone option, but, due to Bridgestone winning 6 of 7 when in a minority I've had to go for them and their race pace
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I've a feeling BAR might be doing even better if they had stayed on Bridgestones.
Bridgestone seem to have made a much bigger winter improvement than Michelin. Principally because their tyres last for more than a couple of laps. |
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8 Jun 2004, 21:30 (Ref:997801) | #4 | |
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Please take the performance of Bridgestone into context.
Take Ferrari/MS out of the equation and then look at the performance of the rest of the Bridgestone runners.They have all struggled with there tyres including the Ferrari clone Sauber.The only reason Bridgestone have six wins is the MS/Ferrari factor being so far ahead of the rest of the feild.Ferrari are just so far ahead of everyone else it makes it hard to be objective in this sort of pole. As Uncle Bernie said after the 3rd round Ferrari could be on go-crt tyres and still be at the front. The Grumpy1 |
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8 Jun 2004, 21:33 (Ref:997802) | #5 | ||
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Michelin generally, Bridgestone specifically.
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9 Jun 2004, 06:10 (Ref:998064) | #8 | ||
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As far as now, BS seem a bit better overall; they have caucht up with the french foes in heat, and still lead under cool/wet conditions.
ralfie, I don't think BAR improvement be due to Michelin tyres. |
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9 Jun 2004, 08:33 (Ref:998150) | #9 | |
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Look at where all the other Bridgestone cars are - specifically Sauber. Michelin are streets better. If the Ferraris were on Michelins they would lap the field.
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9 Jun 2004, 10:26 (Ref:998233) | #10 | ||
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Seems like we msotly agree that it's close. BAR's improvement suggests Michelin, but Ferrari's domiannce hints at Bridgestone. None of the other Bridgestone teamslook likely to challenge on paper, and Sauber have been upper-midfield in the last couple of races.
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9 Jun 2004, 10:30 (Ref:998242) | #11 | |
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I don't think Ferrari's performance would be improved by switching to Michelin.
The Bridgestone seems a much more consistent race tyre - as evidenced by the "drop off" from Michelin cars after the first lap. And Sauber's recent improvement also hints at the race-day edge belonging to Bridgestone. |
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9 Jun 2004, 12:29 (Ref:998370) | #12 | ||
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9 Jun 2004, 14:25 (Ref:998502) | #13 | ||
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9 Jun 2004, 18:21 (Ref:998799) | #14 | ||
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Ferrari and brigestone have developed a tyre that is on a completely different level from ANY other team on the grid. Its the brigestones by a mile.
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9 Jun 2004, 18:26 (Ref:998805) | #15 | ||
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Seems to me that the conditions have to be just right for Michelins to perform really well, but boy do they perform when they do! Bridgestones seem to be more consistent through a wider range of conditions, so for me Bridgestones get the vote. Just.
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9 Jun 2004, 20:11 (Ref:998948) | #16 | ||
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I don't think there is any way for us to tell. I'd say they're pretty close this year.
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IMO, if anyone is runing Bridgestone other rhan Ferrsri, then they haven't a chance. The Bridgestone is developed specifically for Ferrari, the others just get what they are given. Even if they are the same spec, they're still optimised for the F2004. I really think BAR made the right move. Last edited by Spudgun; 9 Jun 2004 at 21:25. |
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For anyone other than Ferrari, Michelin is the bette roption, partly because they will get full support, and also because it gives them a cahnce to win on the 3-4 days a year when Michelins are the tyres to have. Being on Bridgestones might put them a little bit closer for the other 14 races (and that's debatable), but it's far easier to win on Michelins.
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10 Jun 2004, 01:21 (Ref:999219) | #19 | ||
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not that true . if Williams or McLaren would race Bridgestones .. i don;t think we would have the Ferrari/Bridgestone situation .
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10 Jun 2004, 01:32 (Ref:999221) | #20 | ||
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Bridgestone has utterly dominated the michelins.
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10 Jun 2004, 03:17 (Ref:999264) | #21 | ||
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I think Michelin makes the better tire. Their tires work on more than one car. BS specializes in what Ferrari/MS wants in a car. They could not care any less about the rest of the teams. If BAR was on Michelins last year their improvement this year would not seem like that much of an emormous leap. Besides reliability issues, their biggest drawback last year was that half way through the year BAR was still running tires that they had in Australia while MS had the best at his disposal. If Michelin devoted thier time into Renault the way BS does to Ferrari they would be just as dominant. Hell, if they did that for Sauber, they would be winning races.
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10 Jun 2004, 03:27 (Ref:999270) | #22 | |
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neilap and spudgun here here if only all would belive the truth about B/Stone/Ferrari/MS relationship.
Put simply you get what your given if your cars not painted red. The Grumpy1 P.S. Its not the first time I've said it either Last edited by grumpy1; 10 Jun 2004 at 03:33. |
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