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10 Sep 2006, 16:20 (Ref:1706974)
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Schumacher and Montezemolo
MS didn't seem to be very comfortable around LM after the race. Whats that all about ?
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10 Sep 2006, 16:27 (Ref:1706979)
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more to the point.....
during the italian national anthem....MS to KR "get used to hearing more of this next year mate" |
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10 Sep 2006, 16:30 (Ref:1706981)
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10 Sep 2006, 16:53 (Ref:1706997)
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10 Sep 2006, 16:58 (Ref:1707004)
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Yeah, it was a real bear like grip....hehehe.
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10 Sep 2006, 17:54 (Ref:1707070)
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Would want to hug Montezemolo??
I don't think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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10 Sep 2006, 18:00 (Ref:1707084)
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I would, provided I got a Ferrari in exchange.
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10 Sep 2006, 18:47 (Ref:1707162)
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On the Speed TV coverage, Varsha, Hobbs and Matchett were all saying that they had heard that Ferrari management (i.e. LM) had decided they wanted him to go now, rather than later and more or less forced him out. Hence LM, making a big show of hugging Michael who had pointedly tried to avoid him, was just trying to make himself look good.
If this is true one wonders if Todt will be back, as he avoided LM as well and is known to have wanted Michael back next season. If Todt leaves and Brawn takes a year off, it may be awhile before you see Kimi on the top or any step of the podium. |
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10 Sep 2006, 18:48 (Ref:1707163)
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That's certainly an interesting take on it John and one I hadn't really considered...
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10 Sep 2006, 19:00 (Ref:1707189)
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The long and short of it, according to them, was that thanks to Michael, and the team he built, there are some at Ferrari who think they are smarter than they actually are and really don't "need" Michael. LM being one of them.
My prediction? If Brawn and Todt go, and I think they will, then Ferrari will return to being a glorious team with a glorious past with nothing to show for it currently. I think Kimi has made a huge mistake. |
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"He's still a young guy and I always think, slightly morbidly, the last thing you learn is how to die and at the end of the day everybody learns every single day." - The Ever-Cheerfull Ron Dennis on Lewis Hamilton.
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10 Sep 2006, 19:02 (Ref:1707193)
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I go with the 'Kimi has made a mistake' theory.....
Wow....I didn't have Ferrari guys down as showing that kind of....well, arrogance. If true it makes me very sad. 
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10 Sep 2006, 19:06 (Ref:1707203)
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Considering where Ferrari is now and the engine freeze coming after China??
I think Kimi made a good decision. I think it was Alonso who goofed. |
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10 Sep 2006, 19:08 (Ref:1707208)
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Engine freeze perhaps, but the last I knew there was no chassis freeze.
It could work either way really. But Kimi may be joining a team on the way down if things pan out badly. |
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10 Sep 2006, 19:11 (Ref:1707215)
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Alonso, you may recall, has done rather well in a car that was long short on power compared to others. I know they have caught up, but the point remains engine isn't everything.
Also, LM is more part of "corporate Ferrari" if you will than the Scuderia, if you catch my drift. |
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10 Sep 2006, 19:11 (Ref:1707216)
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Well the glue holding the Ferrari team together really is Brawn and Todt.....and you are quite right that with MS retiring they could be on their way. Especially Brawn who has worked for so many years with Michael, i cant see him working with a new driver or working as effectively with a new driver as he did with MS.
It is sad that MS could possibly have been forced to retire......but ofcourse this isnt confirmed....what i do think is there is a lot more to it than MS saying 'Im done and i want to leave' |
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10 Sep 2006, 19:23 (Ref:1707249)
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10 Sep 2006, 19:25 (Ref:1707257)
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Michael was pushed out of Ferrari by Montezemolo plain and simple...Just business, he has one to run...
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10 Sep 2006, 20:50 (Ref:1707347)
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10 Sep 2006, 20:58 (Ref:1707358)
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Easy to say after the fact... Anyway life goes on
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10 Sep 2006, 21:11 (Ref:1707381)
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I think perhaps you dont realize the immense power of MS in F1 and among European/Italian F1 fans. A five time ferrari champ can choose to do whatever he wants. It was Michael's own decision purely due to the fact that he is a 38 year old man with a family who's won it all and doesnt think the risk is worth it anymore (I think he made it clear during his press coference). |
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10 Sep 2006, 21:37 (Ref:1707407)
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I am not accusing anyone of anything, however it is my opinion that Luca asked Michael to leave so that they(Ferrari) could make their future long term plans as far as drivers are concerned....Anyway I am more than happy to discuss this point with you, but turn it into a bashing session and I am not interested thank you. Last edited by JeremySmith; 10 Sep 2006 at 21:39. |
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10 Sep 2006, 21:42 (Ref:1707415)
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It's not a silly theory at all.
However the team had already signed Kimi a while ago, so in that respect they didn't need Michael out to ensure they could get hold of a top driver. Massa meanwhile, is a good driver but he isn't in my opinion at the very top level. |
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11 Sep 2006, 15:48 (Ref:1708077)
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11 Sep 2006, 23:59 (Ref:1708405)
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Well, dreaming of a team becoming "shambolic" is not a very sporting thought...
Amazing to me how much talk there is about fair play right up until the dreams of revenge kick in! I winced every time Williams or Mc won when they ruled the roost - but I fervently hoped someone would step up to the plate to challenge them - and someone always did. I did not hope for them to collapse, otherwise what value was there in the new team, whether it be Benetton, Ferrari or a resurgent Williams or Mc (depending on who was ascendant) besting the top guy? I want to see competition decide the outcome, not shambolic teams simply being victims/victimized. |
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12 Sep 2006, 00:14 (Ref:1708412)
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But Kimi is making a big big mistake... Brawn is gone, Bryne is... or isn't he???? The Dream team is falling apart. |
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