LMS Rnd 2: Valencia 4-6 May 2007

gwyllion · 26 Apr 2007, 07:06 (Ref:1900659)

The entry list of the 1000 km of Valencia has been released: http://www.endurance-info.com/article.php?sid=3525

Debut of

Swiss Spirit Lola-Audi
Arena Zytek 07S
T2M Dome-Mader
Noël Del Bello Courage LC75 (with Jean-Marc Gounon)

Not present

Creation CA07
2nd Courage LC70 - AER
Lavaggi LS01

Because of this only one GT2 season entry has to stay home: Markland Racing Corvette Z06.

mariantic · 26 Apr 2007, 08:13 (Ref:1900702)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

Because of this only one GT2 season entry has to stay home: Markland Racing Corvette Z06.

I would guess Markland turned down the opportunity to participate. GPC have taken a second entry again to make up the 46.

As a "saison" entry Markland would have had priority for that place. JWA is of course in the same position as the second GPC - on the waiting list- but they did say very early on they would not be going to Valencia.

Mariantic

Mirage M6 · 26 Apr 2007, 08:17 (Ref:1900707)

Why J.M. Gounon is going to drive for Noel del Bello? I´ve just visited Courage Competition's web, and they don´t give a clear reason.
It´s strange, Gounon is the fastest of Courage's drivers, they need him for the race.

vorsprung · 26 Apr 2007, 09:33 (Ref:1900774)

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Originally Posted by Mirage M6

Why J.M. Gounon is going to drive for Noel del Bello? I´ve just visited Courage Competition's web, and they don´t give a clear reason.
It´s strange, Gounon is the fastest of Courage's drivers, they need him for the race.

Courage news on EI. #13 misses the race, because they're running it in full scale wind tunnel on May 9th.

claude · 26 Apr 2007, 18:01 (Ref:1901096)

The official Valencia entry list isn't correct. The T2M Dome will be driven by Yutaka Yamagishi (who drove for T2M at Le Mans in 2005 and 2006), and not by Koji Yamanishi, alongside newcomer Robin Longechal.

panoz.lmp1 · 26 Apr 2007, 19:34 (Ref:1901169)

Some pics of the T2M dome in the RfH workshop

The Badger · 26 Apr 2007, 20:42 (Ref:1901212)

Im a little dissapointed about Courage's performance so far , early days i know . But with their experiance of car building , they are "just" finding cooling issues with their AER motors .

Does not bode well for the biggy !!!

Also dissapointed with a few non shows ..... maybe their should be a penalty system like there was in the WS-PC in the 80's . If i had a team and didnt get an entry for the championship , i would be ****ed off with someone who did and misses 20% of the show so far .

minimangler · 26 Apr 2007, 20:51 (Ref:1901219)

talking of dissapointments, how aboutn how they have (stupidly) clashed it with FIA GT Silverstone?

The Badger · 26 Apr 2007, 20:59 (Ref:1901230)

Doesnt surprise me at all !!!

These are the managers who make these decisions , and we all know about managers , dont we ?

Mirage M6 · 26 Apr 2007, 21:50 (Ref:1901268)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Im a little dissapointed about Courage's performance so far , early days i know . But with their experiance of car building , they are "just" finding cooling issues with their AER motors .

Also dissapointed with a few non shows ..... maybe their should be a penalty system like there was in the WS-PC in the 80's . If i had a team and didnt get an entry for the championship , i would be ****ed off with someone who did and misses 20% of the show so far .

Firstly, I´m dissapointed too, last year Courage had the fastest car in Nurburgring and Jarama, and now they can´t get podium places (but has better reliable, we´ve seen in Monza)...

...and I understand your disappointment with the teams that 'dissapear' or don´t show for Valencia, but a penalty system isn´t a good solution; the rules have to be flexible at this point, because some teams may have problems (with car develop, money, sponsors...) and a penalty system could be worse for small teams; with this system, teams like ProTran or Lavaggi, that start to race recently, can organize and develop their cars without too much pressure.

The Real DMN · 26 Apr 2007, 22:04 (Ref:1901279)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

These are the managers who make these decisions , and we all know about managers , dont we ?

Isn't the SRO that organises both events?

gwyllion · 26 Apr 2007, 22:10 (Ref:1901284)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

But with their experiance of car building , they are "just" finding cooling issues with their AER motors.

The AER engine is turbo charged and thus requires more cooling than the Mugen V8 of last year. Monza was very hot, so this might explain the problem.

SebringMG · 27 Apr 2007, 07:47 (Ref:1901474)

Yes and even the Pescarolo's were suffering from cooling problems which is not something normally associated with them!!

brielga · 27 Apr 2007, 08:14 (Ref:1901483)

Temperature was also an issue for RfH. Valencia might be hotter btw, Monza was not that exceptionally hot....

canam · 27 Apr 2007, 08:29 (Ref:1901493)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Also dissapointed with a few non shows ..... maybe their should be a penalty system like there was in the WS-PC in the 80's . If i had a team and didnt get an entry for the championship , i would be ****ed off with someone who did and misses 20% of the show so far .

There is no start money and no success money. Teams have to pay for a full season so there is a form of penalty when they do not show up. The reserves are being called in when some do not turn up so where is the harm. I know that I would rather see a LMP 1 or LMP 2 car that turns up late than yet another GT2 car that looks like all the zillions of other races that are on offer. It is GT2 that is the 'swing' in LMS and there are dozens of other races that these cars can attend--often on the same day.

TheNewBob · 27 Apr 2007, 16:11 (Ref:1901726)

Temperature issues...

What kinda temperatures were there at Monza? I'd imagine Le Mans, being in the middle of summer in hot France (apparently it was very hot last year?), is not likely to be any cooler?

Mirage M6 · 27 Apr 2007, 22:21 (Ref:1901928)

In all Spain has been rain very hard for 4 days, will continue this weekend, and probably next Monday too...

brielga · 28 Apr 2007, 06:43 (Ref:1902049)

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Originally Posted by TheNewBob

Temperature issues...

What kinda temperatures were there at Monza? I'd imagine Le Mans, being in the middle of summer in hot France (apparently it was very hot last year?), is not likely to be any cooler?

As I mentioned, Monza was nothing extraordinary, just over 25 degrees Celsius. Le Mans and Valencia are very probably going to be hotter (provided we have "normal" weather and not this 27 degrees in Holland, 17 degrees in Spain thingy we have this week...)

WouterM · 28 Apr 2007, 07:50 (Ref:1902067)

I believe the Courages used a new radiator system, maybe to decrease drag. It obviously did not work.

Graham Goodwin · 28 Apr 2007, 07:51 (Ref:1902070)

They did and the long stop for the #12 car was to chnage it back to the older system

The Badger · 28 Apr 2007, 08:36 (Ref:1902086)

Did it run any better after the rad was changed Graham ?

class4v · 28 Apr 2007, 08:37 (Ref:1902087)

It's all about not changing the sidepods too much in order to keep the good aero figures of the LC70. The intercooler seems to be the problem and is also analyzed by the engine manufacturer. Courage has some minor changes for the Valencia race but hopes to find the right solution during the windtunnel test which was planned for a specific LM body-package. Gounon is in the N°24 car in order to help Petrov.

canam · 28 Apr 2007, 09:26 (Ref:1902101)

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Originally Posted by brielga

As I mentioned, Monza was nothing extraordinary, just over 25 degrees Celsius. Le Mans and Valencia are very probably going to be hotter (provided we have "normal" weather and not this 27 degrees in Holland, 17 degrees in Spain thingy we have this week...)

Le Mans 2005: The average temperature was above 28 degrees
Le Mans 2006: The average temperature was above 23 degrees

These are just my recollections. I remember the Aston drivers nearly collapsing from heat exhaustion in 2005.

Graham Goodwin · 28 Apr 2007, 10:02 (Ref:1902113)

To be honest she was so far back after the stop that I didn't notice - The timing screens at Monza didn't cover the last 14 cars!

brielga · 28 Apr 2007, 17:01 (Ref:1902284)

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Originally Posted by canam

Le Mans 2005: The average temperature was above 28 degrees
Le Mans 2006: The average temperature was above 23 degrees

These are just my recollections. I remember the Aston drivers nearly collapsing from heat exhaustion in 2005.

Le mans 2005 was way above 35 degrees, I will not forget that easily!!!

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