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22 Feb 2004, 23:07 (Ref:882241) | #1 | ||
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FIA Bans
I am not really knew to F1. I have watched it in the past, but don't get it any more. I merely watched it for the cool cars, but am now more interested in the technical aspects of the cars. After reading the thread on the Launch-Control ban I was curious as to what else has been banned.
What I have so far: - X-Wing (97 Tyrrel) - Vesitgal Wing (94 McLaren, don't even know what it looks like) - Launch-Control - Electric Fans on the back of the car (created vacuum and downforce, right?) Now I am not talking about regulations restricing to certain engine, tire, wheel sizes and types, but what has been out-and-out banned by the FIA. I would appreciate any replies. |
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"third brake pedal" system, pioneered by Mclaren, and run by Williams and Jordan in 1998, but a protest by Ferrari had the item banned by the FIA.
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22 Feb 2004, 23:16 (Ref:882250) | #3 | ||
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What exactly did it do? Can you recommend a website with information like this on it?
And I just remembered one more; any type of moveable aerodynamic devices, right? |
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22 Feb 2004, 23:29 (Ref:882265) | #4 | ||
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It allowed the driver to operate the rear brakes independantly from the front brakes.
Ferrari and the rest of the teams had the item banned. Also Active suspension was banned in 1994. Also V12 engines are "no longer allowed". |
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23 Feb 2004, 00:54 (Ref:882307) | #5 | |
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High mounted wings acting on hubs, moveable aero divices all types, the original ground effect venturi tunnels
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23 Feb 2004, 01:04 (Ref:882317) | #6 | |
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i think those Ferrari Delta shaped front wings of 98-99 got banned as well
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Obvious one: More than 4 wheels. (eg. 6 wheels)
ABS. 4WD is illegal too I believe...right? As for engine I thought they said specifically 3.0L V10? Meaning no V12s and no I3s. Last edited by Snrub; 23 Feb 2004 at 04:41. |
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When Toyota joined f1 they wanted to run a V12 unit and bernie told them where they could put that idea.
I think it would be good for the sport if they were allowed to run whatever engine configurations they liked, as long as they were 3.0L . what is the harm in variety? There should be a rule that the team needs to keep the same engine configuration all season. that way you could see the V12 teams up the front at monza, and the v8 teams up the front at monaco and hungary.. it would be interesting to see what would happen if they opened up that rule. Pit to Car date transferral is banned now. Launch control banned. tyrell winglets banned. skirts are banned difusers must be of standard size. fuel cannot be rocket fuel. drivers must wear fire protection and helmets. not to mention seat belts. the drivers arent allowed to pass anywhere but in the pit lane in the event of michael schumacher looking like losing the world title all drivers must pull over and let him pass. i think these are most of the major rules. -jason |
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23 Feb 2004, 13:26 (Ref:882761) | #10 | |
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These crazy wing things:
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23 Feb 2004, 13:28 (Ref:882763) | #11 | |
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And again...
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You're not allowed turbos
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Slick tyres.
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23 Feb 2004, 17:50 (Ref:883010) | #15 | |
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Suspension can't be used as a wing.....think that came in for the 1997 season.
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Yep.
Current regs state engine capacity not in excess of 3000cc with ten cylinders, which must be four stroke reciprocating type, can not be supercharged (which includes turbocharging, and must have circular cross section. Oval pistons are not allowed for example. Finally, 5 valves per cylinder max. No variable geometry manifolds, no artificial induction temperature droppers, no carbon/aramid allowed in the block/head/piston, cranks and rods must be steel or cast iron. However, I think you could quite feasably run a VW style W10 motor with a ceramic fibre composite for example... it doesn't actually say that it needs 2 banks of cylinders, and that the composites banned are only aramid and carbon types. If you could make it work (which I think is very possible), you could have a flat 10. There is no mention of a V configuration. No part of the bodywork is allowed to move while the car is in motion, meaning static aerodynamic configs, but allowed to change in the pits. No part of the suspension is allowed to generate downforce. Flat underbodies, so no venturi tunnels etc. Fuel is now very strictly controlled in it's content. (No more late eighties/early nineties 'rocket' fuel.) No Continuously variable tranny's, must be at least 4 gears and max of 7, no torque splitting diffs. |
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The thing is, whats stopping ford making a 3010cc engine, I mean do the FIA actually check or measure the fuel/air capacity within the cylinders?
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Thats a good point, but i would feel that before each season each team would have to give there engine to the FIA and they would check to make sure the capacity was legal.
whats to stop the teams boring out there engines about 3000cc ? well there is the risk of being caught for a start, not to mention how finally strung a F1 engine is that any change in Geometry would screw it up majorly. Isn't there a rule about deformable structures ? |
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There's heaps more, take a look at www.fia.com and find the section marked technical regulations, then the pdf under the F1 banner. You'll find it there.
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I could have sworn the connecting rods were titanium?
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V12's or re-fuelling? Hmmm....
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I believe they also banned six wheel cars. Do the regs now read that a car must have four wheels?
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Yes.
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