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Old 12 Mar 2006, 21:13 (Ref:1545464)   #1
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Barrichello Vs Button

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but was it me or was barrichello a bit harsh with button with the passing thing at the start of the race..
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 21:19 (Ref:1545466)   #2
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From what I saw Button passed Rubens but then buggered up the next corner and Rubens repassed him. Button was obviously quicker at that stage but I don't think Rubens needed to make way for Button.
Really how often should you have to make way for somebody?
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 21:23 (Ref:1545476)   #3
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Actually, you're used to watch RB playing the #2 driver role for TGF, so it looked strange he acting like a real driver with his team mate...
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 21:24 (Ref:1545478)   #4
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its hard to judge... im not saying rubens should have let him through.... But if your driving for the same team there should be some sort of tatics for sitution like that...

Whilst fighting between them they lost valuble time on the front 4...
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 21:51 (Ref:1545509)   #5
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I do not not believe that Ruben's has to do Jenson any favours..They are racing for heavens sake...Unlike Felipe trying to block the daylights out of Alonso..not a driver bash BTW..
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 21:52 (Ref:1545511)   #6
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They are racing, they should race, end of...

However Bon has a good point, with what we're used to seeing with Rubens...
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 22:01 (Ref:1545522)   #7
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Yes it is nice to see that for a change.. and you are right Bononi!
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 22:02 (Ref:1545524)   #8
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everyone moans about being the number two driver, seeing driver x as number two driver etc - there's more pressure on that chappy when they move, ie look at Irvine - he was expected to win the title when MS broke his leg at Silverstone and Salo came in, and everyone's built up the Button v Barrichello thing - still think JB will get the edge
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 22:06 (Ref:1545528)   #9
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I think Jenson has to get the edge...Honda will become impatient if he does not deliver the goods. but they are both fine drivers we will see...Honda also have Ant
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 22:24 (Ref:1545550)   #10
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They are, and whilst I think Jenson has the edge and will be better long term at this moment in time I think Rubens is better right now, down to experience. Honda and impatient? Well JB is a longer term prospect in terms of age etc...RB brings experience (and past race wins!).
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 22:41 (Ref:1545563)   #11
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without that battle button would of been 3 for sure, but jenson has more bad starts then good ones doesn't he :-( either car or himself
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 23:31 (Ref:1545604)   #12
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1 race does not make a champion, over the coming races we will all see who has come out on top. history dictates that after the flyaway races, F1 settles down and the cream ends up winning races, and the better driver beating there team mate.
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 23:57 (Ref:1545614)   #13
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RB brings experience (and past race wins!).
Spot on, Suze. I can tell you that from this saturday TV show, the reporters were telling that the team was impressed with so much information RB was bringing in, specially in testing with tyres...

IMHO, that's the main reason Honda got RB, and his value in F1 is measured by this fact, rather than anything else.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 00:01 (Ref:1545616)   #14
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it was really weird watching RB charging, trying to pass MS at that point. It wasd cool though, I wish Ferrari let this kind of things go on instead of saying "ok, now step on the brake and don't ever do that again!!!"
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 06:16 (Ref:1545731)   #15
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It was great to see Rubens fighting hard against his teammate. He knows Button is Honda's golden child. If he can beat Button early in the season he can become the de facto #1 at Honda. If he doesn't, or is even with Button, Button will remain Honda's favorite son.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 07:20 (Ref:1545755)   #16
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Spot on, Suze. I can tell you that from this saturday TV show, the reporters were telling that the team was impressed with so much information RB was bringing in, specially in testing with tyres...

IMHO, that's the main reason Honda got RB, and his value in F1 is measured by this fact, rather than anything else.
Exactly Bon, and I think it's one of the most important reasons he's there - JB can be their (Honda's) future, but Rubens has a hell of a lot more knowledge than him at the moment.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 13:18 (Ref:1547118)   #17
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Jenson seems to have been comfortably faster than Rubens so far, both in testing and at Bahrain, which may be down to his extra experience within the team. The way it turned out, Rubens probably cost Jenson a podium, but he wasn't to know that, and they had no way of knowing his car would fade.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 19:09 (Ref:1547378)   #18
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Jenson has more experience of that team, but Rubens brings more experience (all round) which is, imo, important - he'll "learn" Honda quickly enough.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 19:42 (Ref:1547420)   #19
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The feeling you get from mixing with other folk in the paddock is that it's been harder for Rubens to settle in at his new team than he had originally antisipated. This may have had an effect on his race performance yesterday,
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The feeling you get from mixing with other folk in the paddock is that it's been harder for Rubens to settle in at his new team than he had originally antisipated. This may have had an effect on his race performance yesterday,
He said he never felt so well settled in a team like now, he has some great friends there.
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The feeling you get from mixing with other folk in the paddock is that it's been harder for Rubens to settle in at his new team than he had originally antisipated. This may have had an effect on his race performance yesterday,
The main thing that affected Barichello's race yesterday was the fact he lost 3rd gear half way through the race. Had the car held together properly he would have undoubtedly finished in the points, and perhaps in the top 6. Im very impressed with how Rubens has intergrated himself into the team so quickly, whether or not he can beat Button this year is another matter, after all he is the new guy and he is still learning the ropes within the team. In that respect Button has a signifcant advantage, 2007 might be a differnt story. IMO.
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Jensons clutch cost him the podium, not Bazza.

But yes, generally you'd have to say Button has Rubens well under control. the closest rubens got was qual stint 2. and he was 3 ths off.

The same amount he was usually slower than MS by...
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Jensons clutch cost him the podium, not Bazza.

But yes, generally you'd have to say Button has Rubens well under control. the closest rubens got was qual stint 2. and he was 3 ths off.

The same amount he was usually slower than MS by...
RB had problems with the 3rd gear, are you saying that JB had the same ?
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Jensons clutch cost him the podium, not Bazza.

But yes, generally you'd have to say Button has Rubens well under control. the closest rubens got was qual stint 2. and he was 3 ths off.

The same amount he was usually slower than MS by...
That could be, but I couldn't help but notice that Button seemed more focused in the Bahrain race. After a sluggish start his driving seemed more intense than I've seen. Or perhaps that is my imagination ... or I suppose it could also be that the Honda package is better this year, but JB seemed racier and was driving with a renewed confidence.
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More accurately, Jenson may have got a podium despite the clutch problem at the start if it weren't for Rubens. I'm more than a little depressed at the way certain posters from a certain country immediately accused him of screwing up the start, when they repeatedly claimed that a certain other driver's poor starts were all down to the car, even though his team-mates had none all season.
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