McLaren-Where to now,staff changes???

Peter Nightingale · 24 Apr 2006, 06:13 (Ref:1593435)

This team need to look from the top down wards, Dennis & Haug, Daimler Chrysler ,what are you doing with shareholder funds, in F1 you are going no where fast, tarnashing further a sagging image in the market place.....

**Peter Mallett** · 24 Apr 2006, 07:14 (Ref:1593452)

Care to offer some solutions Peter?

Skam85 · 24 Apr 2006, 08:24 (Ref:1593501)

McLaren were fairly strong in the race, JPM showed some good pace. I don't see any big problems with the team, there doesn't seem to be a ot of unrest. They've had a better start to the season than last season, and should only get better.

Marbot · 24 Apr 2006, 08:27 (Ref:1593505)

They're introducing a new engine at the next race which should help them to get closer to the leaders.

Peter Nightingale · 24 Apr 2006, 08:35 (Ref:1593519)

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Care to offer some solutions Peter?

Diamler Chrysler as an organisation should be able to find replacements internally, they should be using there own Human Resources more effectively. Regards Peter N.....

BootsOntheSide · 24 Apr 2006, 12:10 (Ref:1593706)

The errors seem to be on the tactical side - they need to run lighter in qualifying to ensure that they are near the front initially.

**Adam43** · 24 Apr 2006, 12:22 (Ref:1593718)

Does every team who haven't won the last race have to sack all their staff?

Kicking-back · 24 Apr 2006, 15:34 (Ref:1593829)

It's nothing a tad more qualifying pace wouldn't fix - and they're 2nd in the constructors, which by my reckoning means 9 teams need to sack everyone before them!

DeoValente · 24 Apr 2006, 15:48 (Ref:1593840)

They invested something like 4 billion dollars the last 7 years and won no championship. renault invested 270 million euros on 2005 and won both championships.

Id say Renault management rules over the Mclaren one, where Dennis upped his own salary to a nice 11 million pounds a year.

Knowlesy · 24 Apr 2006, 16:20 (Ref:1593879)

How relevant Deo. FWIW I reckon Ron deserves a nice salary, hardly been a failure has he, this past quarter century?

I thoroughly expect McLaren to build on what has been a fairly solid start. There is competitive pace there in that car somewhere!

Sadly, it looks like it'll be harder to extract than with the MP4-20, which we always deemed to be rapid despite a hideous start to 2005.

rcarr · 24 Apr 2006, 16:44 (Ref:1593913)

They need Mike Gascoyne! They need more technical staff! Norbert Haug is a very good manager so is Ron Dennis but they seem to lack a decent replacement for Adrian Newey!

DeoValente · 24 Apr 2006, 18:01 (Ref:1593978)

Well the thread is about staff changes.. i highlight a few staff statistics and the outcome is that Renault is a lot better and not afraid to say it out loud, hence me saying Symonds isnt going to Mclaren.

Tbh i dont think there is a lot wrong at Mclaren. They came close last year and seem to be fast this year. Its just that from a management point of vieuw you could say they are burning money on wrong things and its bound to go and bite them, like it did with Newey and some other high profile engineers.

Menelaos · 24 Apr 2006, 18:30 (Ref:1594000)

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Originally Posted by Skam85

McLaren were fairly strong in the race, JPM showed some good pace. I don't see any big problems with the team, there doesn't seem to be a ot of unrest. They've had a better start to the season than last season, and should only get better.

well, they're supposed to be after both titles, and with these performances there's no way they're getting either.And I don't think their start is better than last year's. Last year the car was better compared to the others, but in Imola Kimi's car broke down. But he was quicker than anybody else up to that point.

JeremySmith · 25 Apr 2006, 00:49 (Ref:1594240)

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Originally Posted by DeoValente

They invested something like 4 billion dollars the last 7 years and won no championship. renault invested 270 million euros on 2005 and won both championships.

Id say Renault management rules over the Mclaren one, where Dennis upped his own salary to a nice 11 million pounds a year.

you don't think that Ron Dennis is worth that kind of money then?

JeremySmith · 25 Apr 2006, 00:51 (Ref:1594241)

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Originally Posted by rcarr

They need Mike Gascoyne! They need more technical staff! Norbert Haug is a very good manager so is Ron Dennis but they seem to lack a decent replacement for Adrian Newey!

And what do you base that statement on exactly?

Peter Nightingale · 25 Apr 2006, 04:15 (Ref:1594287)

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Originally Posted by rcarr

They need Mike Gascoyne! They need more technical staff! Norbert Haug is a very good manager so is Ron Dennis but they seem to lack a decent replacement for Adrian Newey!

If Haug and Dennis are good managers , why are'nt these skills put to better use to put the correct people in to the team ,with the right skills, to make them winners once more...

Knowlesy · 25 Apr 2006, 09:16 (Ref:1594443)

Maybe they have the correct people.

McLaren isn't a one man band, they didn't revolve around Newey. There are a lot of people who design their cars who are very good.

Losing a couple of key people won't help, but it's not an irretrievable situation!

Kev_205 · 25 Apr 2006, 09:27 (Ref:1594452)

and really Neweys ideas and ways of working will have passed down to other staff.

I think their fueling tactics are not working this year. The competition can match the Maclarens for speed now. They need to run lighter and get on the front row

rcarr · 25 Apr 2006, 09:50 (Ref:1594476)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

And what do you base that statement on exactly?

I mean that it seems to have gone down hill since Adrian Newey left the team, they seems to stopped improving after the last race of last season.

rocketracer · 25 Apr 2006, 11:20 (Ref:1594536)

this thread seems a little premature - if mclaren win next round, do you think they look to re-hire all those they've laid off after such a 'disastrous' weekend as imola (mclaren: podium + 5th= 10points Vs renault: 2nd + 8th = 9 points)?

and would have been a better story had kimi not made that error in quali and been in the pack, but this is racing, and thats why we have a whole season to see who's best...

i'd say they've been more conservative with their pace to ensure they score points early, especially when their benz was blowing lots of smoke preseason... i think the seasons end will show this to be wise, but only time will tell i guess...

DeoValente · 25 Apr 2006, 16:03 (Ref:1594735)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

you don't think that Ron Dennis is worth that kind of money then?

Well you got me there! Im split on this. As head of Mclaren group id say yes, the company is making profit from the scuds they make for the U.S. military and they have a nice deal with Daimler to desing and build hugely overweigt SLR's (wich dont sell that well), but as head of the Mclaren racing team id say no. He lost a lot of money on that, lost Newey and other key designers, lost big sponsors and lost an almost certain championship last year bcs of that same link with mercedes. And with Renaults budget in mind id say 11 million pounds is simply too much.

JeremySmith · 26 Apr 2006, 00:28 (Ref:1595032)

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Originally Posted by DeoValente

Well you got me there! Im split on this. As head of Mclaren group id say yes

The huge amounts of money that these people earn never ceases to amaze me..so why not Ron Dennis? Someone one mentioned in another thread that Fernando Alonso only earns *eight million* a year..Peanuts what are Renault thinking off

JeremySmith · 26 Apr 2006, 00:32 (Ref:1595033)

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Originally Posted by rcarr

I mean that it seems to have gone down hill since Adrian Newey left the team, they seems to stopped improving after the last race of last season.

really? I don't think so at all..Mr Newey as talented as the man is is not McLaren, there are many other design engineers that I am sure are extremely talented working for Mr Dennis..

Please excuse the double post..

rcarr · 26 Apr 2006, 00:48 (Ref:1595040)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

really? I don't think so at all..Mr Newey as talented as the man is is not McLaren, there are many other design engineers that I am sure are extremely talented working for Mr Dennis..

Please excuse the double post..

Dont get me wrong, I think, they will have an amazing set of engineers but McLaren were resting on their laurels a bit when Adrian Newey was there and now there is a sudden shock that he has gone an there is no one as special as him! My friends is working for red bull and saids that Adrian Newey is always there with his pad and pen always thinking! There are very few people like Adrian Newey today in F1, and I think that is where McLaren will go back to their winning ways fairly soon! It will take time to rebuild after their loss!

After all look at my pic! I am Mercedes through n through!

Kicking-back · 26 Apr 2006, 09:03 (Ref:1595239)

This is the team that's 2nd in the constructors championship, and hasn't had a single engine failure at races this year!

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