Switcharoo?

slicktoast · 22 Jul 2003, 13:53 (Ref:668338)

CART wants to go to larger displacement V10s from 2.6Lt V8s. F1 is talking about going to 2.4L V8s from 3L V10s. CART thinks it could be a feeder series to F1. What do yunz make of this?

Jay · 22 Jul 2003, 14:19 (Ref:668373)

Well...Cart hasn't announced anything yet, so who knows what they'll do... but you're right, it's looking more like normall aspirated engines of some kind... Also, I think the F1 dumbing down their engines is just a rumour, but you're right it would be rather ironic if they effectively swapped specs. (I doubt F1 would pick up the turbos though)

Superunknown · 22 Jul 2003, 22:26 (Ref:668857)

Quote:

Originally posted by slicktoast
CART wants to go to larger displacement V10s from 2.6Lt V8s. F1 is talking about going to 2.4L V8s from 3L V10s. CART thinks it could be a feeder series to F1. What do yunz make of this?

cosworth wants v10's so they can use alot of the same dies from the v8, just new ones for longer cranks/cams etc... no turbo, 2+ cyls...

cart is pleasing ford at the moment... and trying to entice toyo and honduh into returning

Snrub · 22 Jul 2003, 22:41 (Ref:668864)

If they were purely pleasing Ford they woulod keep the current spec because Ford has the development done and has an advantage over any new competitor.

Just because F1 may change their formula, it doesn't change the fact that substantial cost savings would occur for anyone who had already developed an F1 engine.

Guess what, if F1 does change the engine specs, CART will have more power again and likely faster lap times @ Montreal.

Liz · 22 Jul 2003, 23:30 (Ref:668893)

But F1 engines sound like sewing machines.

Omega99 · 23 Jul 2003, 03:19 (Ref:668990)

Yes, sewing machines with +800hp... No one can deny turbos sound better, but NA V10 is my second choice if there can't be turbos...

Oh yeah, and in response to the original topic, to me it all sounds too strange to draw any conclusions from... I mean, you couldn't if you wanted to.

Jay · 23 Jul 2003, 03:53 (Ref:669006)

yeah, same here.... nothing beats the sound of our current turbos...but if they absolutely have to go, I'd probably accept V10s like they use in F1.... a V8 like they use in the IRL would be a huge downer. Those things sound like really loud Formula Fords.

Bizzo5000 · 24 Jul 2003, 20:23 (Ref:670562)

Those things sound like like a damn vacuum cleaner or a floor waxer on mute.

Superunknown · 24 Jul 2003, 21:38 (Ref:670616)

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Originally posted by Snrub
If they were purely pleasing Ford they woulod keep the current spec because Ford has the development done and has an advantage over any new competitor.

Just because F1 may change their formula, it doesn't change the fact that substantial cost savings would occur for anyone who had already developed an F1 engine.

Guess what, if F1 does change the engine specs, CART will have more power again and likely faster lap times @ Montreal.

cosworth are the ones that want that v-10, they dont have to change much at all to do it, and this present formula won't work w/ competition, do you realize it's SPEC right now? boost is up and rpm's are down for longevity, if competition would be opened up again the HP would be back up and the boost restrictions would be below standard atmospheric pressure. and no ford doesnt have an advantage in development over other competitors cuz at last glance honda and toyota had a severe advantage over ford powered teams, i dont know, maybe i should see the bottom of the championship standings as the top and henceforth understand the "advantage" they somehow have.

norman-normal · 27 Jul 2003, 18:08 (Ref:672575)

Yes Superunknowing, all Ford would need to do is change the crank, the crank case, the heads, the valves, the rods, the cams, the seals, the gaskets, the brgs, the inj system, the lube system, pistons, pneumatic system.

Is there anything they would not have to change? If you said anything but turbo, your wrong.