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22 Dec 2002, 13:30 (Ref:455467)
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Your ideal Champcar calendar...?
These threads pop up alot, mostly on the F1 forum it seems, but what is your ideal CWS calendar? Maybe you'd like a mix of street and road courses, or maybe (heaven forbid), you'd like an all oval series? Perhaps you'd like every race in the US, maybe you'd like to expand to new markets?
Keep it realistic, we're never going to see Champcars on the Nordschleife so don't even think about it  It's late here, so I'll answer my own question some other time. |
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22 Dec 2002, 13:35 (Ref:455473)
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imo the mixture of ovals, road and street courses is quite good at the moment
and there should be at least two races in europe...i´m biased so i say come to the lausitzring again +3 in southamerica and 1 in japan, rest should be in canada and the US |
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22 Dec 2002, 13:51 (Ref:455484)
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You'll need races in the following locations:
One in Australia One in Asia - Japan probably, though without manufacturer backing, why bother now? Two in Europe - Germany should be one for sure One or two in Brazil - Deserving as they make up a quarter of the grid at least Two in Mexico The rest in Canada/US - 4 in Canada at least |
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22 Dec 2002, 14:07 (Ref:455493)
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oops, totally forgot about it ..but surfers has to be part of the calendar 
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22 Dec 2002, 14:07 (Ref:455494)
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Surfer's Paradise definately, and Spa, and Brands, all the current Canadaian races belong, and so do the classic US tracks. I'd like to see at least 3 500 milers as well as a couple of short ovals too. A race in Brazil and the Mexican ones (with teh Mexico City track hopefully restored to somethign resembling its former glory)
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22 Dec 2002, 16:06 (Ref:455544)
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I'm with Boots there, in that I'd love to see the "Triple Crown" of 500-milers revived. Add Spa and Brands, at least one date in Brazil, perhaps another in Australia, and maybe try to tap into the Vegas market with a street race.
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22 Dec 2002, 16:11 (Ref:455550)
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majority would be in america (don't know many US circuits)
Plus there would be one at Motegi, a couple in Canada, and one at Brands Hatch in the UK (my home track, had to be in there, plus needs a decent event or else will be redeveloped as a housing estate and that will be the end of Britain's "mini-nurburgring") |
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22 Dec 2002, 16:37 (Ref:455568)
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Motegi won't happen without Honda being in CART. We don't need the Japanese crowd anyway, the event was relatively poorly supported. Something in China / Malaysia / Singapore would eb nice though, as a chance to develop a new audience, though no doubt we'd be influxed with Yoong / Matsu(notverygood)a type pay drivers.
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22 Dec 2002, 16:48 (Ref:455574)
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I want Michigan Speedway back, whatever else happens. I don't care if it's in July so it's a million degrees and 150% humidity, I don't care if it's an hour and several sets of small-town policemen away from decent accommodation, I want it. It was built for Champ cars, unlike Fontana which was built for New York taxicab racing. Bring the boys home.
And while I'm whining, can we please have the roval in Rio back too? I LOVED that track, fire ants, hand-sized spiders, bad food and all. It was so weird that it really challenged the teams on setup -- "do we set up for the tight corners or the oval-track ones? What about that super-long front straight?" Those would be my picks to add to the fun. Can't say I'd miss Houston or Denver unless they did a better job of the track, even if they are closer to me. Maybe add Road Atlanta??? keke |
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22 Dec 2002, 17:03 (Ref:455583)
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The Triple Crown could be held at Pocono,Las Vegas(Night),Michigan. 1 Million to win all Three
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22 Dec 2002, 17:39 (Ref:455592)
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Keke... You're so right! "a million degrees and 150% humidity" sums it up nicely! But, accomodation depended on if you wanted "decent" in Ann Arbor, or "fun" across the street. There's no shortage of places to park a van or set up a few tents! Saturday night often leaves you with more memories than raceday!
Unbelievable how much I miss that track. Didn't Penske sell it to ISC or something? Last edited by macdaddy; 22 Dec 2002 at 17:40. |
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22 Dec 2002, 17:42 (Ref:455595)
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Re: Your ideal Champcar calendar...?
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Yes, it's too many races. But you know what? NASCAR races nearly every weekend of the year, and it's widly popular... I don't think it's a coincidence. November, December and January are off. February Rio (Road Course) Monterrey March VIRginia Sebring (w/ ALMS) Las Vegas (street course) April Long Beach Brands Hatch May Spa Brno Nurburgring Nordschliefe (tentative) June Toronto Mont-Tremblant Milwaukee July Cleveland New Jersey (Meadowlands w/ALMS) Denver (has to be a road course, that parking lot is ****) Vancouver August Road America Portland Mid-Ohio Pocono September Montreal Miami (w/ ALMS) Watkins Glen (tentative) October Mexico City Brasilia November Surfer's Paradise Adelaide |
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22 Dec 2002, 17:55 (Ref:455599)
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Gah, I forgot to add a Chicago street or airport race in September!
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22 Dec 2002, 23:01 (Ref:455769)
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Re: Re: Your ideal Champcar calendar...?
I agree for the most part with Lee.
Interlagos should be one of the Brazil races. Where's Laguna! Should be at the end of the season like it use to be. The Ausi's deserve 2 races 'cause they're cool people.  Nurburgring Nordschliefe is on there too, f*ck you if you don't think it can happen!  There's no Fontana on that list either. Take the Glen off there. What is Brno? There should be a race in Texas and we need a race in Japan too. Oh and a street course in London Ontario (I've got it maped out with 2 corkscrews).
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22 Dec 2002, 23:08 (Ref:455773)
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Ah, damn! Uhm, Laguna Seca goes at the start of October in that schedule. It just slipped my mind.
The current Interlagos bites. If the track owners would restore the old layout, then I'd say definitly. Brno's a really nice road course in the Czech Republic. It was built in the '80s for F1, but never got a date. Excellent circuit, definitly up to CART standards. Take the Glen off? I agree it's not realistic with ISC owning the track, but still, it's the true home of the USGP! Texas? They don't cotton to no ferner's thereabouts. Texas Motor Speedway's out of the question... The old Texas World Speedway is still one of the fastest in the world, but it's pretty run down, and has almost no seating capacity. It hosts almost no action on the oval... Mostly just club racing on the road course. Plus it's in the middle of nowhere.  Japan? The fans never supported the Motegi race, and Honda and Toyota pulled out of the series. London? Eh, not gonna happen, sorry...
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23 Dec 2002, 01:01 (Ref:455855)
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I love the oval within an oval @ Texas
I'd bring back Michigan and Fontana, great races with the handford device. I love the trip to Rio, and that oval down there was something completely different. Why not go to one of the Japanese Road circuits? Why not Fuji- half super-super speedway (with a 2km long straight, and a 1km banked first corner), although that would be a bit hard. Spa, Road Atlanta, Sebring etc. Ditch some of the tragic street circuits (like Miami, Denver), and take to Long Beach with a bulldozer and restore the old track that CART used for many years... |
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23 Dec 2002, 01:24 (Ref:455865)
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 The new Fuji... 
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23 Dec 2002, 01:34 (Ref:455870)
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Turn your head on the side and it sort of looks like the new and unimproved Hockenheim...
Once more, Mr Tikle has produced a totally featureless 'motodrom'
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23 Dec 2002, 02:24 (Ref:455894)
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ARRGGGGHHHHH!
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23 Dec 2002, 02:33 (Ref:455897)
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The new Fuji doesn't look too bad.
EXCEPT for those back-to-back hairpins before the last turn!!!! Why it couldn't be just one nice, sweeping tunr onto the main straight, I don't know! |
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23 Dec 2002, 02:37 (Ref:455898)
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It may not be too bad, but it's not exactly anything at all when compared to the old beast...
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28 Dec 2002, 23:54 (Ref:459260)
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Here is my ideal calendar:
January: Winter testng and sneak preview. February: Monterey Rio March: Houston Road Atlanta Sebring (with ALMS) April: Long Beach Las Vegas (street course) Chicago (street course) May: Milwaukee Michigan Fontana (on Indy 500 weekend) June: Spa Brands Hatch Lausitzring July: Vancouver Montreal Toronto August: Denver Miami St. Petersburg September Mid-Ohio Road America Cleveland October Portland Laguna Seca Mexico City November Surfers Paradise Adelaide |
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31 Dec 2002, 21:00 (Ref:461200)
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1. Homestead
2. Motegi 3. Long Beach 4. Las Vegas 5. Curitiba 6. Rio 7. Indy 8. Las Vegas 9. Barcelona 10. Silverstone 11. Rockingham 12. Eurospeedway 13. Portland 14. Cleveland 15. Road America 16. Road Atlanta 17. Washington 18. Michigan 19. Fontana 20. Monterrey 21. Laguna Seca 22. Vancouver 23. Toronto 24. Mexico City 25. Texas Calender would start in February and end in November. |
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31 Dec 2002, 23:41 (Ref:461275)
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I think the season finale HAS to be in the United States. Michigan/Fontana/Laguna Seca on consecutive weekends would do the trick. Having the last few rounds bunched up could space up the calendar a bit too. Make it run from early March to late November - IRL finishes earlier than November, gives Champcar racing a month or so as THE series. The way it should be.
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1 Jan 2003, 00:54 (Ref:461310)
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I honestly don't see why... It makes more sense to let the teams go home after two Aussie rounds.
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