Tony “I wanna be like Bernie” wont like this for long...

[Peddler]

Looking at lap times on Natsoft today and looking at the times of both V8 Taxis and also the Carrera Cup GT3’s and I tell ya what I don’t think it will be to long before Tony “I wanna be like Bernie” either slows them down or gets them of the V8 circus calendar…

Check this out... the fastest and slowest lap times from the third race at Oran Park in both V8'S and the GT3's

1 888 Team Betta Electrical Craig Lowndes Ford Falcon BA 5000 53 01:13:53.5865 9 1:10.2166*
DNF 11 Jack Daniel's Racing Paul Dumbrell Holden Commodore VZ 5000 8 12:03.8254 6 1:12.7183

1 21 Glenfords Tool Centres/Dewalt Alex Davison 2006 911 GT3 Cup 997 360016 21:02.5409 6 1:10.0799*
DNF 5 VIP Petfoods Klark Quinn 2006 911 GT3 Cup 997 3600 2 2:41.6071 2 1:12.8261

[Robert Ryan]

Looking at lap times on Natsoft today and looking at the times of both V8 Taxis and also the Carrera Cup GT3’s and I tell ya what I don’t think it will be to long before Tony “I wanna be like Bernie” either slows them down or gets them of the V8 circus calendar…

They are also slower than a F1 car too, but that does affect their popularity for what they are V8 Touring cars. Admittedly they are quicker than Group N Touring cars, but that does not detract from Historic Touring car racing.

[MRJUCY]

The Porkers develop over the years the V8s rules as far as I can remember for the last 10 years have only been to slow them down pretty much so the teams can only do so much within the rules.

[Chatters]

Boy howdy Tony is gonna be wanted to stick some Superchargers and NO2 in his V8s before those Porsches overtake him...

[St00ge]

I think simply the control tyre is at its limits, it would be close to ten years old the compound that they used and the Cup cars run the latest Michelin slicks. update the control tyre and the v8s will be quicker again

[peckstar]

the v8 lap record for oran park is from around 1999. i dont think that TC is too worried

[mmciau]

Originally Posted by peckstar

the v8 lap record for oran park is from around 1999. i dont think that TC is too worried

1999 Lap record - Which can be argued indicates the 2006 series has reached the nth degree of mediocrity!

Mike

[peckstar]

except at other tracks the record is current

and at most tracks (posssibly even op it is quicker than the year before)

what it shows is thatw e are not using the same tyres as 1999 and or the track surface has deterioted since 1999

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by peckstar

... or the track surface has deterioted since 1999

i think that would be the real issue, and who's going to resurface a track that has a limited shelf live before it becomes houses with .1m between each roof gutter?

[Chatters]

Exactly.

No-one cares about the times at OP, it's gonna be history in about 3 years anyway.

[racer69]

Plenty of categories set quicker times than V8Supercars (F3, the quick Sports Sedans and GT cars), it doesn't seem to be an issue, and i'm not sure why it would be. Its the quality of the racing that matters, not how quick they are.

[HDTVKSS]

Originally Posted by racer69

Plenty of categories set quicker times than V8Supercars (F3, the quick Sports Sedans and GT cars), it doesn't seem to be an issue, and i'm not sure why it would be. Its the quality of the racing that matters, not how quick they are.

Unfortunatley the quality of racing is often higher in the other categories as well! its a strange thing when you take out CPS's and cars :: gasp:: overtake on track.

[Chatters]

[Timu]

Just shows how more purpose-built the GT3s are comparitively, plus i'd love to see the V8s running on some decent rubber again...

[Raglanparade]

Skaife on Yokohama's in the donut king commodore...

Johnson and Perkins? on Dunlop's

Brock and Murphy in the HRT's on bridgestones's

Wait, its gonna be 2007 next year, not 1997.. :P
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In all seriousness though, wouldn't having an open tyre supplier like the old days help attract sponsors money more.

Dunlop pays a condiserable amount to V8SC (not the teams) to secure a single control tyre. In the old days, the teams got the sponsors money from tyres. The control tyre was implemented so that all teams had to 'pay the same' for tyres, and all the sponsors money was taken by Aussie Bernie.

[peckstar]

you do mean of course that dunlop pays money to V8SA, 75% owned by the teams dont you?

[zac510]

Originally Posted by racer69

Plenty of categories set quicker times than V8Supercars (F3, the quick Sports Sedans and GT cars), it doesn't seem to be an issue, and i'm not sure why it would be. Its the quality of the racing that matters, not how quick they are.

I read on another forum that the concern is not that they are faster than V8SC (from a marketing perspective), but rather that it is another series that is possibly faster and cheaper than the V8 Lite series (what do they call the Konica series now?) that uses the old car.
2nd hand high maintenance high cost taxi or a new 997 Carrera Cup car for similar or less price?

[emjaya]

Originally Posted by peckstar

you do mean of course that dunlop pays money to V8SA, 75% owned by the teams dont you?

V8SA, 75% owned by TEGA, not 75% owned by the teams.

[pete55]

TEGA 100% owned by the teams.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by St00ge

I think simply the control tyre is at its limits, it would be close to ten years old the compound that they used and the Cup cars run the latest Michelin slicks. update the control tyre and the v8s will be quicker again

Spot on. The V8's need new rubber and quite possibly more tires per round to spice up the category.

[Peddler]

Originally Posted by dsg

Spot on. The V8's need new rubber and quite possibly more tires per round to spice up the category.

Slightly going off topic, but if all the talk about the series not being sustainable given the huge costs i dont think that they are going to give them more tyres

[Chatters]

That raises an interesting point. If the V8's were given more rubber to play with every race weekend, would they have better tyres to set faster times?

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Peddler

Slightly going off topic, but if all the talk about the series not being sustainable given the huge costs i dont think that they are going to give them more tyres

I don't really believe that the series is unsustainable but the relatively small price of additional rubber is a cost effective way to allow teams to potentially be more competitive.

Originally Posted by Chatters

That raises an interesting point. If the V8's were given more rubber to play with every race weekend, would they have better tyres to set faster times?

If more tyres were allowed, the times would not necessarily be faster but would likely be more consistent over the entire weekend.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by Chatters

That raises an interesting point. If the V8's were given more rubber to play with every race weekend, would they have better tyres to set faster times?

They don't need to be given anymore tires to have more good rubber to be played with.

Remember that two tyres are wasted in each race due to the contrived pitstops. They could make the distance on one set of tyres, but rules and regulations force them to change........

[peckstar]

wasted would mean they are never used again wouldnt it, as opposed to using them in race two or the start of race three or maybe in the future practise sessions