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12 Oct 2008, 07:34 (Ref:2309812)
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Did Massa deliberately collide with Hamilton?
After today's Grand Prix both Allard Kalff and Tom Coronel (both racing drivers with open-wheel experience) said it was obvious Massa collided with Hamilton intentionally. Massa drove with two wheels over the grass and had an easy opportunity to avoid a collision. He didn't avoid it only to eliminate Massa, according to the two Dutch commentators.
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12 Oct 2008, 07:38 (Ref:2309814)
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Not beyond the realms of possibility I suppose, but I think it was more just your typical Massa tomfoolery.
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12 Oct 2008, 07:39 (Ref:2309816)
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Yes it was a bit similar to some moves his "mentor" has used in the previous years, so it is possible.
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12 Oct 2008, 07:40 (Ref:2309818)
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I don't think he deliberately collided with Hamilton as, surely, he would not have known what the result of the collision, damage wise, might be. I just think a bit of red mist set in. Either that or he's been watching too much BTCC.
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12 Oct 2008, 07:41 (Ref:2309819)
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no.
but he could have done an awful lot more to avoid hitting him. |
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12 Oct 2008, 07:45 (Ref:2309821)
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Staying on the track might of helped.
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12 Oct 2008, 07:47 (Ref:2309824)
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12 Oct 2008, 07:47 (Ref:2309826)
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Massa could have cut across the grass to avoid the collision, come out infront of Lewis and then backed off to give the position back, and then be right on Lewis' gearbox after the corner. He would of course have (in this case) a drive through penalty for gaining an unfair advantage wouldn't he?
But there again.. |
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12 Oct 2008, 08:12 (Ref:2309864)
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I don't think it was deliberate as such, but it did look like it might have come out of the 'Michael Schumacher Book of Racing Etiquette'...
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12 Oct 2008, 08:19 (Ref:2309872)
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Not sure that he deliberately hit Hamilton, but he put himself in a position wher it was completely unavoidable. And at least, after Spa, he can have no complaints about the penalty.
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12 Oct 2008, 09:40 (Ref:2309957)
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Yeah, Felipe did it on purpose and considering Hamilton's popularity amongst drivers it wasn't a surprise. May be if he didn't hit him, he could have gained more than these 2 points, but then you have to decide on the moment and Hamilton looked faster. At least it creates a bit of controversy, championship rivals bump each other
 Good for Lewis and Felipe they don't race with Red Bull designed suspension 
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12 Oct 2008, 09:42 (Ref:2309959)
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Definatley possible. Of course, Ferrari do not release their radio transmissions, Rob Smedley could have been shouting "take the bugger off" or something.
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12 Oct 2008, 09:50 (Ref:2309977)
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If it was deliberate, it would have been pretty stupid, as Massa was probably more likely to suffer suspension damage than Hamilton. I think it was just very poor driving.
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12 Oct 2008, 10:00 (Ref:2309990)
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If it was deliberate it was stupid, and it cost him.
Probably the same careless attitude that caused him to tangle with Bourdais, which also cost him, but not as much as it should have. |
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12 Oct 2008, 10:05 (Ref:2309993)
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He gained with Bourdais
 He lost like 6 seconds with that spin, and he ended 6.9 behind Vettel... clearly not enough to have time to overtake him.
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12 Oct 2008, 10:10 (Ref:2310001)
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Why would Massa risk his own car to take out Hamilton since he was trailing him by 7 points ?
It was simply another case of a driver compounding one error, running wide and losing a place, by trying the impossible. |
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12 Oct 2008, 10:16 (Ref:2310010)
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[QUOTE=brands]Why would Massa risk his own car to take out Hamilton since he was trailing him by 7 points ?
QUOTE] Probably because he is careless, or arrogant, or simply acts before he thinks, or acts without thinking of the implications. Then again it may be a combination of two or more of the above.... I am not sure... |
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12 Oct 2008, 10:43 (Ref:2310038)
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12 Oct 2008, 11:06 (Ref:2310057)
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Of course it was on purpose. Straight from the Schumacher book. I think he felt that if Hamilton got by his championship was gone so he took a punt, literally, and it paid off. Of course he also knew that if the stewards could help him they would, hence the Bourdais penalty.
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12 Oct 2008, 11:23 (Ref:2310062)
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I don't see that, at that time, being 7 points behind, that he'd want to take the risk, after all, he wouldn't know what damage he'd do to his own car.
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12 Oct 2008, 11:50 (Ref:2310079)
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Considering Massa is the one behind in the standings I don't see what he had to gain.
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12 Oct 2008, 12:21 (Ref:2310106)
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12 Oct 2008, 12:23 (Ref:2310108)
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He had quite a lot to gain...
Consider if Massa had stayed where he was, and Hamilton had gone on to win. TThe points difference now would be very big indeed. Mind you, Fellipe should remember that what happens on track is not the be all and end all. There's always the stewards there to change the result afterwards and bump him up the standings. |
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12 Oct 2008, 12:54 (Ref:2310133)
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Either way you have what many here complain about: two drivers fighting for it on the track and when they show their shortcomings y'all complain. Bottom line: Massa is not perfect but Hamilton falls well short of the mark. All Lewis had to do today was finish one place behind Massa to really help consolidate his position. Instead, he buggers his start, drives in the pack like he is the only car out there and being as how he has the most to lose if he does not finish or finishes out of the points he drops down on Massa instead of letting him go and getting him at another corner or through pitstops - oh by the way, at the rate Massa caught Lewis, what WAS going on with the car? |
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12 Oct 2008, 13:03 (Ref:2310140)
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