Engine Freeze For 2008

[marzF1rocks]

I don't really understand why this is neccairy.

If anyone would please like to elabrate, would be most greatful

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36180

Honda Toyata Threaten to quit over Engine Freeze

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36187

P.s I apoliges i have made a spelling mistake

[Adam43]

For background http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...=engine+freeze
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...=engine+freeze
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...=engine+freeze
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...=engine+freeze

On Honda, they often say that they are in it partly because of the technology - as do many manufactures.

[Pingguest]

So, Max finally gets what he wants? His measures are deemed to have this consequence.

[Marbot]

Honda and Toyota commited themselves to F1 until 2012,knowing that the regulations included an engine freeze and knowing that the FIA could reverse any decision that the teams made to ban an engine freeze on the grounds that it would make it too expensive for new teams to join F1.So they'd better get their present engines sorted and shut the hell up.

[davyboy]

Aside from the fact that manufacturers are in F1 for development purposes, there's a fundamental problem with long term homologation in a multi-supplier environment such as F1 where the margins are very small. Some engines will be better than others... and remain better with no opportunity for the designers/builders to correct the imbalance... for the entire length of the homologation.

[Pingguest]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Honda and Toyota commited themselves to F1 until 2012,knowing that the regulations included an engine freeze and knowing that the FIA could reverse any decision that the teams made to ban an engine freeze on the grounds that it would make it too expensive for new teams to join F1.So they'd better get their present engines sorted and shut the hell up.

Too expensive to join? What about Aguri Suzuki? The Formula 1 currently has a bigger starting field than the "cheap" IRL and Champcars series.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

Too expensive to join? What about Aguri Suzuki? The Formula 1 currently has a bigger starting field than the "cheap" IRL and Champcars series.

For the sort of money he paid to be at the back of the grid in F1,he could have entered all the cars in both those series you mention.

[Pingguest]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

For the sort of money he paid to be at the back of the grid in F1,he could have entered all the cars in both those series you mention.

That could be true. But Formule 1 currently has a fiel of 22 cars, Champcar 19 cars and IRL 20 cars.

If a new team wants to join F1, it has to pay about $48 million (?). If the FIA would drop that large sum of money and allow teams to buy a chassis, it would be a lot cheaper to step in.

[Dutton]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

If a new team wants to join F1, it has to pay about $48 million (?). If the FIA would drop that large sum of money and allow teams to buy a chassis, it would be a lot cheaper to step in.

Originally Posted by (removed from) Article 44, 2008 FIA F1 Sporting Regulations

Any applicant which did not take part in the Championship for the previous year must also deposit US$48,000,000 (forty-eight million United States dollars) with the FIA when submitting its application. This sum will be returned to it forthwith if its application is refused or in twelve equal monthly instalments (including interest) commencing immediately after the first Event in which it competes, provided it has met and continues to meet all the requirements of the Agreement and its schedules. If the applicant fails to appear for the Championship for which it has entered, its deposit will be forfeit save only that the applicant may delay its participation by one year, in which case US$12,000,000 (twelve million United States dollars) will be forfeit and the balance repaid as set out above.

Regarding the buying-selling chassis/parts to one another: I have had a look at the technical and sporting regulations for 2008, but cannot see any reference to this being allowed. I have not exhaustively checked, however, as it 0230.

It certainly seems it is on Max's "to do" list, though.

[Hitech]

As others have said, an engine freeze instigated at any given date will give a distinct advantage to those with the most powerfull engine at that time.
A better solution would be for the FIA to use the best engine on that date as the target, freeze that, and allow other manufacturers to catch up but not exceed the target engine.
Phil

[BootsOntheSide]

ChampCar and IRL are rival championships competing to run a fairly similar range of teams and drivers - a combined series would net at least 26 entries. Also, a lot of F1 teams are there for commercial rather than racing reasons. Still, there are better ways at cutting costs than an engine freeze - leaving teams stuck with inferior engines is illogical and impractical. Hitech's idea is much more sensible - although I'd rather see the engine performance level set for 2 years at a time rather than 5.

[Marbot]

The engine homologation rule will probably take effect from next season,as there seems little point in developing an engine that as already been homologated for 2008.Max's press conference was interesting.http://www.grandprix.com/race/r758fripc.htmlMany things are being looked at as regards "relevant" technology in F1.

[Nado]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Honda and Toyota commited themselves to F1 until 2012,knowing that the regulations included an engine freeze and knowing that the FIA could reverse any decision that the teams made to ban an engine freeze on the grounds that it would make it too expensive for new teams to join F1.So they'd better get their present engines sorted and shut the hell up.

Though with that reason, which is similar to what Max has said, Grandprix.com does make an interesting point that I personally agree with (http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns16824.html)

[Red]

Good game Toyota and Honda! They have every reason to quit. This is getting more pathetic every season. And I'm quitting too. Actually I cut my yearly trip to the track 2 years ago, now I'm quitting watching them on TV as well. Cartoon Network is by far more fun.. Well done Mr Maximillian sir...