HRT stuffs up badly.

Rulekeeper · 13 Oct 2003, 12:00 (Ref:749403)

Having just got home from Bathurst and having just read the most uninformed biased shyte of all time(on 4 different Forums) I thought it was timely for me to voice my opinion.
Jeff Grech stuffed up-simple as that. He knew that the chances were very strong that MS would have to come in. He also should have guessed that another Team would make a complaint-because he certainly would have if the shoe was on the other foot(the one in his mouth).
Everyone around me(Ford and Holden supporters) couldn't believe it when he didn't call MS in during the safety car period. Team stuff up and the result stands.
P.S. Everyone who argues that it wrecked a good end to the race is dreaming. Murph well and truly had his measure(all week) and was pacing towards the finish. End of story.

racer69 · 13 Oct 2003, 12:28 (Ref:749462)

Whether Skaife pitted during the safety car or not doesn't matter, a pitstop of any kind at that time of the race would have murdered them.

The penalty was fair enough, although late. As for some saying that the penalty ruined a good race....

just because there might be a good finish is NO reason to disregard the regulations.

Rulekeeper · 13 Oct 2003, 12:31 (Ref:749467)

It does matter, as he would have lost less time and therefore less points. He was always going to have to come in one way or the other.

racer69 · 13 Oct 2003, 12:34 (Ref:749472)

Do you honestly think he was thinking about points at that time of the day?

Rulekeeper · 13 Oct 2003, 12:44 (Ref:749490)

No, but Grech should have.

jetsetter · 14 Oct 2003, 12:09 (Ref:750791)

I think Grech made the right call leaving Skaife out there, when you're coming second at Bathurst that late in the day you don't come in unless you have too.

twig · 14 Oct 2003, 12:14 (Ref:750799)

Exactly Jetsetter.

I was a little annoyed when Papa Ellery said if it was our car door opening, we would have been in 10 laps ago.

Yeah right. After such a hard day of racing, staring down the barrel of a competitive 2nd placed finish, you wouldn't simply say, "hhhmmm.......you know......lets just throw away this hard work by coming in to fix the door, just to be safe."

People do get competitive you know

RaceTime · 14 Oct 2003, 12:26 (Ref:750811)

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Originally posted by jetsetter
I think Grech made the right call leaving Skaife out there, when you're coming second at Bathurst that late in the day you don't come in unless you have too.

AS I mentioned in another thread - Grech apparently had already been informed that there would be no action taken - the Chief V8 Steward overruled the Clerk of COurse, the Race Director and the V8 Technical Manager...

Rulekeeper · 14 Oct 2003, 23:36 (Ref:751528)

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Originally posted by RaceTime
AS I mentioned in another thread - Grech apparently had already been informed that there would be no action taken - the Chief V8 Steward overruled the Clerk of COurse, the Race Director and the V8 Technical Manager...

Not quite right RT. Grech was told that they would monitor the situation-which they did-then made the correct call after FPR complained. HRT would have done exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot. I still say that Grech should have guessed what was going to happen and called MS in during the SC period. Of course maybe he did? and The Boss told him to shove it?

True Believer · 14 Oct 2003, 23:40 (Ref:751532)

Maybe Grechy should get the job of category technical manager as advertised in the motorsport press this week. he controls 6 of 35 cars, so would be in the right groove to know whats going on

RaceTime · 14 Oct 2003, 23:51 (Ref:751544)

Rulekeeper - the decision HAD been made NOT to bring Skaife in based on what they knew and saw. The door had at least two methods of restraint in place to prevent the door from opening any further - if this situation changed then, yes, I believe it would have been looked at further, but at that time he was NOT going to be brought in.

I also believe that Schenken had a few choice words to describe Wigstons decision - again, from my sources inside race control - Wigstons decision was NOT popular and was NOT in agreement with the rest of race control at that time.

Wizzby · 16 Oct 2003, 15:07 (Ref:753370)

I always thought "monitoring" meant - we will watch to see if it gets any worse.... which it didn't.

I find it extraordinary how one guy can overule a panel of people, including the clerk of course!

Although I guess it does rule out this supposed bias towards HRT...

Evomike · 16 Oct 2003, 19:10 (Ref:753583)

At the end of the day it doesn't matter, Murph would have won, he already said he had more pace in the car at the end. No one remembers who comes 2nd or 3rd anyway, you only really remember the winner.

Mattracer · 16 Oct 2003, 21:41 (Ref:753731)

True, but Skaife may have lost a shot at the series particulrly if Murphy keeps the momentum going and takes Surfers and Puke. Skaife should be quick at EC, no repeat of the wheel mounting problems this time.

Hobo high · 16 Oct 2003, 22:13 (Ref:753772)

Quote:

Originally posted by Rulekeeper
Having just got home from Bathurst and having just read the most uninformed biased shyte of all time(on 4 different Forums) I thought it was timely for me to voice my opinion.
Jeff Grech stuffed up-simple as that. He knew that the chances were very strong that MS would have to come in. He also should have guessed that another Team would make a complaint-because he certainly would have if the shoe was on the other foot(the one in his mouth).
Everyone around me(Ford and Holden supporters) couldn't believe it when he didn't call MS in during the safety car period. Team stuff up and the result stands.
P.S. Everyone who argues that it wrecked a good end to the race is dreaming. Murph well and truly had his measure(all week) and was pacing towards the finish. End of story.

HEAR , HEAR , well said .This topic is being manipulated by HSV SHEEP on all the forums by the same small minority group of pathetic HRT/HSV supporters . GREAT BATHURST RESULT FOR ALL NON SKAIFE FANS

.PS-

Lyris · 16 Oct 2003, 22:17 (Ref:753779)

Including Hobo, the massive Non-HRT Supportters Stand that filled most of the Grandstand on the front straight. (That would be the mob who promptly recited the NZed national anthem as Murphy crossed the line on Sunday, which I might add was a loverly sound over the roar of the V8's)

Rulekeeper · 17 Oct 2003, 01:05 (Ref:753914)

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattracer
True, but Skaife may have lost a shot at the series particulrly if Murphy keeps the momentum going and takes Surfers and Puke. Skaife should be quick at EC, no repeat of the wheel mounting problems this time.

As far as I'm concerned, Skaife should not win the series even if he ends up with the most points. The Team has been allowed to race for half the year even though they were breaking the rules by being owned by Holden. People in the know tell me that SHRT, TW and KMR are STILL all tied up together, and to me means their still bending the Rules.

Wizzby · 17 Oct 2003, 08:20 (Ref:754115)

Quote:

Originally posted by Rulekeeper
As far as I'm concerned, Skaife should not win the series even if he ends up with the most points. The Team has been allowed to race for half the year even though they were breaking the rules by being owned by Holden. People in the know tell me that SHRT, TW and KMR are STILL all tied up together, and to me means their still bending the Rules.

Well now someone needs to go do their homework....

They didn't break any rules buying the teams, that rule was only written in as a result of the purchase. Go and watch your old V8 Superstars tapes and watch Larry get stuck into Brad Jones about it!

And you know I pity those people who can't believe the teams are now seperate entities... I really do. Their clouded vision is getting in the way of enjoying a great racing series for what it is...

I'm also going to take this opportunity, since you've brought up this long dead issue yet again, to inform you that next time someone posts about Skaife's black flag, you have no right to say "Get over it!" Hypocrites never win

Mattracer · 17 Oct 2003, 08:42 (Ref:754133)

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Originally posted by Hobo high
HEAR , HEAR , well said .This topic is being manipulated by HSV SHEEP on all the forums by the same small minority group of pathetic HRT/HSV supporters . GREAT BATHURST RESULT FOR ALL NON SKAIFE FANS .PS-

****in bull****, people can support whoever they want. Why do YOU constantly attempt to "manipulate" at least two other forums not including this one with unbelievably vehement hatred for one team and one driver?

For he record, I believe that Skaife should have been given a black flag for safety reasons but not after so much time had passed. As each day passes, more has been revealed about the processes involved.

Wizzby · 17 Oct 2003, 08:47 (Ref:754136)

Thank you Mattracer! Nice to see not all people are totally one eyed these days

RaceTime · 17 Oct 2003, 08:58 (Ref:754145)

I think you will find many of the people in here are not so much critical of any of the drivers - but more the administration and politics of the sport - which is, unfortunately, detractring from the racing (what little there is of it)

Wizzby · 17 Oct 2003, 09:01 (Ref:754147)

Well it could be said that if the racing was allowed to continue as it should, there would be no need for the political showdown

Scott75 · 17 Oct 2003, 09:11 (Ref:754153)

This all amazes me, this forum should be called, "THE ANTI SKAIFE - HRT FORUM" All the cr*p that comes out of people's mouths on this forum is getting beyond a joke. For all of you HATE SKAIFE HRT people why don't you go and join the Ford forums, that way you can b*tch all you like so you don't waste up space on this forum. Skaife and HRT are the best team of the last 7 years, read it and weep.

Wizzby · 17 Oct 2003, 09:16 (Ref:754158)

WOW! Looks like I've got some competition for number one Skaifey fan

RaceTime · 17 Oct 2003, 09:27 (Ref:754173)

Wizzby - the problem is, the cars have been inteferred with so much that we now basically have a NASCAR style formula - the cars are too evenly matched to permit close, decent racing (and I mean racing - not nose to tail half hearted attempts at passing that usually end up with someone in the wall or sandtrap because they attempted to get past)

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