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Old 11 Feb 2012, 18:57 (Ref:3024595)   #1
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Rebellion to have an 'iconic' paint scheme this season according to Dagys.

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Old 11 Feb 2012, 19:15 (Ref:3024598)   #2
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Black & Gold according to John Dagys... as in Lotus colors.

Maybe they´re running Lotus-badged Toyota engines
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Old 11 Feb 2012, 19:18 (Ref:3024599)   #3
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Black & Gold according to John Dagys... as in Lotus colors.

Maybe they´re running Lotus-badged Toyota engines
Unreal.
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Great, another lotus rebadge...
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Great, another lotus rebadge...
Damn you Lotus for not taking the good route back into motorsports!

Of course, I blame Dany Bahar.
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Rebellion already had an iconic livery, their red, white and gold has been unmissable for the last two years.

Sick of all these fake Lotai, at least a rebadged Toyota engine is in keeping with the Elise's heritage......
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Black & Gold according to John Dagys... as in Lotus colors.

Maybe they´re running Lotus-badged Toyota engines
They won't be rebadging the engines.
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Rebellion already had an iconic livery, their red, white and gold has been unmissable for the last two years.
Completely agree. Might have been the best looking cars out there.

I want to hear some more details before laying into Lotus. A twitter exchange between our friend JAG and GG revealed they aren't bringing budget, facilities, engineers or responsible for Heidfeld's arrival.

Don't know what to think really.
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Completely agree. Might have been the best looking cars out there.

I want to hear some more details before laying into Lotus. A twitter exchange between our friend JAG and GG revealed they aren't bringing budget, facilities, engineers or responsible for Heidfeld's arrival.

Don't know what to think really.
Maybe it's tied in with Lotus badge-engineering a Rebellion timepiece instead?! Wish they weren't ditching the red, white and gold - a unique and attractive livery. The JPS black and gold was too, but now it's wearing out its welcome remarkably quickly. Thanks Dany Behar.
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Maybe it's tied in with Lotus badge-engineering a Rebellion timepiece instead?! Wish they weren't ditching the red, white and gold - a unique and attractive livery. The JPS black and gold was too, but now it's wearing out its welcome remarkably quickly. Thanks Dany Behar.
Providing it turns out to be true, this is a shame. The red/white/gold was pretty distinct amongst other runners in the field.

Idle speculation - perhaps they're trying to differentiate themselves (visually) from Toyota?
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Lotus use Toyota engines don't they?
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Our discussions on Rebellion's activities have become rather diluted and spread over a number of threads. As a firm fan's favourite, I'm starting a dedicated thread. I'll move the initial 'Lotus' speculation posts across to get things started.
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If Lotus rebadge Rebellion Im not going to be happy if the whole lot falls over and leaves the bills unpaid for this top privateer team. Makes you wonder though how Rebellion are supporting the team, I know there's money in watches but LMP money? ....
(I've transferred the above from one of rich07's posts in the 'rumours' thread)
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I am not that bothered about the paint colour but this team has been good to us on ten=tenths and we all wish them the best, getting funding for this level of racing can't be easy and i for one will support them what ever they look like
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I love the current colour scheme however I also believe that the old JPS colours were the best I've ever seen on a race car. Perhaps I'm more easily pleased than most......
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Providing it turns out to be true, this is a shame. The red/white/gold was pretty distinct amongst other runners in the field.

Idle speculation - perhaps they're trying to differentiate themselves (visually) from Toyota?
...by making themselves look like Kolles' 'Lotus' Lola LMP2...
http://www.seloc.org/2012/01/autospo...hip-programme/

This is getting mildly silly- we'll soon have half the grid painted black and gold, and the other half in Gulf colours...
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Completely agree. Might have been the best looking cars out there.

I want to hear some more details before laying into Lotus. A twitter exchange between our friend JAG and GG revealed they aren't bringing budget, facilities, engineers or responsible for Heidfeld's arrival.

Don't know what to think really.
So what are they bringing to the party- a pot of black paint and a couple of Lotus stickers?

Could it just be a case of Rebellion watches producing a branded watch for Lotus, as cmk suggested, and a livery change to promote that?
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So what are they bringing to the party- a pot of black paint and a couple of Lotus stickers?

Could it just be a case of Rebellion watches producing a branded watch for Lotus, as cmk suggested, and a livery change to promote that?
It was mentioned in Autosport this week that Lotus were looking to step up to LMP1 with Rebellion rumoured. Didn't say anything about a watch deal. It could be a sponsorship deal similar to what MG did (are still doing?) with RLR but I find it kind of strange.

Maybe the thinking is more based around 'association' with motorsport, similar to what Bahar was dealing with at Red Bull. Meaning you don't actually have to build your own cars but if you create enough of a footprint through the motorsport world you register in people's minds as being synonymous with it.

It's not going to find any favour with traditional motorsport fans, but it could prove a cost-effective way of equalling what some manufacturers spend years testing and racing to achieve.
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From a certain distance, I've always found Lotus' "combos" slightly confusing:
-There were F1s with various engine suppliers and iconic looks that changed with the cigarette brand du jour.
-And there were road cars that became Lotus because of some fiddling/tuning that was not quite apparent from the outside: Cortina, Omega. And of course the "proper" Lotus always used engine from other manufacturers, there was the 90's Elan that could have been badged as an Isuzu and there were various "engineered by Lotus" claims on cars like Hyundais.

So no, it's not new that the mark waters itself down. I just hope Rebellion profits from the deal.
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It's a shame that if Lotus were going to dine out off their past glories they didn't pick this scheme for Rebellion.

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Wish they weren't ditching the red, white and gold - a unique and attractive livery.
Don't forget that Lotus did use red white and gold...

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Perhaps Rebellion could use the Gold Leaf colours in some way.
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I loved the old livery, but if they were going for something a bit historical, how about the '98 TS020 livery?


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I love the current colour scheme however I also believe that the old JPS colours were the best I've ever seen on a race car. Perhaps I'm more easily pleased than most......
They were, but on a car that isn't sponsored by JPS or a company that uses the same colours it just seems fake to me.
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The above would be pure greatness IMO.
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