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VZ Commodores for 2007
I have just read the the current Auto Action that the VZ will race in the main series in an unchanged specification to 2006, but TEGA will keep an eye on the situation and adjust if necessary.
I am still wondering if we will see all these new VE Commodores on the grid for Round 1 in 2007. It would not surprise me to see more VZ commodores starting the season than already mentioned. What also baffles me is why there were so many new VZ Commodores built in the 2006 season that will only have a life of 1 year. HRT/HSVDT built chassis 052 (Rick Kelly's car) & 053 (Mark Skaife's car) at the start of 2006, and chassis 054 midway throughout the year. This car in fact has only done 2 race meetings. Tasman built chassis TM03 and debuted it at Round 11 of 2006. Perkins Engineering built PE045 at the start of 2006 (Richards' car). Garry Rogers, Paul Morris & PWR did not build new cars this year. IN fact PWR cars are at least 4 years old. Yet Garry Rogers and Paul Morris will field only 1 VE and 1 VZ for the start of the year. What would be funnier is to see Holdsworth, Coulthard and Owen the fastest 3 Commodores on the grid showing up the VE Commodore (so much for their 'Car of the Year'). That would give the Holden exec some heartache. |
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I thought TEGA had gone beyond the Procar style make them appear equal rubbish, to let's actually make them equal: same aero numbers, same suspension, same dimensions, very similar engines etc. So why a departure with the VZ? Sounds like nonsense, when they could easily make sure the VZ has the correct 2007 spec aero numbers rather than advantaged numbers, simply be implementing a new bodykit.
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Just as with PROCAR, the parity police have to manage the driver input into the process as well.
From memory the last parity rules required a number of cars of the same model to be measured before a parity change would be implemented. With just 3 in the mix in 2007, if one of the three does not have a good weekend, which happened on occassion for these 3 in 2006, then the aggregate results will be too skewed to impress a change, or indeed if they slim down the sample size, will get just as slanted a result. It isnt an easy fix once the season starts, but as WebberForWDC suggests, the TEGA titans should be making sure the ducks are all in a row. I mean can you imagine the uproar if say HRT were to operate the #22 car as a full house VZ, without an aero reduction... with 4 cars then in the mix, there will still be some disparity between the performances... while the quickest car in the field specification wise would in theory be that #22 VZ |
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That is exactly my point, and by the time there is a change to the aero package for the VZs say at round 4, car 22 has won the first 3 rounds and has a 50 point lead in the championship.
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from what ive read, there will only be a few VZs in use at clipsal. holdsworth, coulthard & owen are the only ones, from what i understand, that are going to use VZs. the rest will have new cars so there shouldnt be any worries...
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Aren't Bargwanna and Wilson going to be in VZ's?
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cause he has such a good record there
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Regardless of who is still running VZ’s (ie. Backmarkers/midpack runners) there is still an advantage. Although some people may not agree but I think the BA and VY/VZ were about as even as you could get. So if TEGA felt that the BA would have an advantage over the BF and VE, which have reduced aero then why not the VZ, which was matched to the BA. Potentially teams still running VZ’s will be getting better results than they would if their car was matched. So where’s the incentive for smaller under funded teams to upgrade if they know their old nail is a better package. |
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Of course, Perkins is always a late adopter...
Amazing that there always seems to be something to jump up and down about for the parity bleaters. |
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So there's a new "blueprint" spec for BF and VE, so why should Autobarn racing be allowed to continue with better numbers just because they are aren't the Holden Racing Team. On this basis Brad Jones can continue with the BA downforce levels as the front runners aren't worried 'bout him either?
What's to stop Autobarn from trading in the PMM Vy/z for a HRT unit and they run away with Clipsal, depending on opinions of Owen's driving? |
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well yes is he is, history strongly points to him being a late adopter, 7 rounds in before he adopted the aurora and vy of the time at least a year before he changed from holden to chev, was driving the old vp around when the other teams had moved up to the next model. except for once he did get the vt online at the beginning, but his history points to him being a latre adopter |
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In 95 Perkins was actually debuted the first to debut a VR and won the opening round of the championship. Then for Bathurst 96 a VR was converted back to VP specs in order to circumvent a change to the aerodynamics change, didn’t really work as the Dunlops were light years behind Bridgestone at this time. In 98 he debuted a VT as soon as it was eligible, although with hindsight this was a mistake as initially it was significantly slower at Bathurst than the VS and perhaps was the difference between 1st and 2nd that year. In 03 Perkins continued to field the Dumbrell car in VX specs and based on the number of times it needed to be rebuilt, it was just as well LP had a sizeable spares stockpile. |
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Also, to add to your post, Perkins continued to run Richards and Dumbrell as VYs in 2005 for several rounds until updating them to VZ. Anyhow, I think we will see Shane in a VE in Adelaide and Jack with VZ, but I don't think this has been confirmed anywhere yet. Last edited by 00 XR8; 30 Jan 2007 at 12:24. |
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Just read in today's AutoAction that PWR will not have both their VE Commodores built in time for Clipsal. Surprise Surprise, so McConville will start the season in his VZ Commodore that has not had an aero adjustment from 2006, compared to the aero limited VE Commodore and BF Falcon.
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