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Old 21 Feb 2008, 08:12 (Ref:2133903)   #1
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WSBK Round 1 - Qatar: The start of a new (Ducati) era?
Well then, I thought I would try and start a thread .

Hooray, the racing season really starts today with the WSB boys starting free practice on a very windy and sandy Losail circuit.

I’ve heard that yesterday (Wednesday) it was so windy, that the scoring pole at the start finish line got damaged and that visibility was limited.

Anyway, Bayliss, Biaggi, Haga, Checa, Xaus and Kagayama to fight for the win(s)?

Best Lap 2007 – Troy Corser – Yamaha 1.58.402
Superpole 2007 – Troy Corser – Yamaha 1.58.402
Race Record 2007 – Max Biaggi – Suzuki 1.59.194
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 10:33 (Ref:2134017)   #2
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Dani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
I think you got the contenders .. although Hondas are a bit of an unknown
my money on bayless
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Qualifying 1 results Superbikes:

1 Corser Troy Yamaha Motor Italia WSB Yamaha YZF-R1 18 1'59.627

2 Bayliss Troy Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098 F08 18 1'59.853

3 Nieto Fonsi Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 21 2'00.307

4 Haga Noriyuki Yamaha Motor Italia WSB Yamaha YZF-R1 12 2'00.476

5 Kagayama Yukio Team Suzuki Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 18 2'00.599

6 Xaus Ruben Sterilgarda Go Eleven Ducati 1098 RS 08 18 2'00.695

7 Lanzi Lorenzo R.G. Team Ducati 1098 RS 08 18 2'00.724

8 Biaggi Max Sterilgarda Go Eleven Ducati 1098 RS 08 19 2'00.744

9 Gimbert Sébastien Yamaha France Ipone GMT 94 Yamaha YZF-R1 22 2'00.857

10 Neukirchner Max Team Alstare Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R1000 19 2'00.904

11 Fabrizio Michel Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098 F08 19 2'00.937

12 Muggeridge Karl D.F. Racing Honda CBR1000RR 17 2'01.086

13 Checa Carlos Hannspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 20 2'01.409

14 Badovini Ayrton Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 16 2'01.677

15 Lavilla Gregorio Ventaxia VK Honda Honda CBR1000RR 15 2'01.729

16 Smrz Jakub Guandalini Racing by Grifo's Ducati 1098 RS 08 18 2'01.955

17 Checa David Yamaha France Ipone GMT 94 Yamaha YZF-R1 22 2'01.984

18 Rolfo Roberto Hannspree Honda Altea Honda CBR1000RR 18 2'02.004

19 Laconi Régis Kawasaki PSG-1 Corse Kawasaki ZX-10R 16 2'02.100

20 Iannuzzo Vittorio Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 14 2'02.256

21 Kiyonari Ryuichi Hannspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR1000RR 18 2'02.494

22 Morelli Luca Alto Evolution Honda Superbike Honda CBR1000RR 19 2'02.980

23 Holland Russel D.F. Racing Honda CBR1000RR 18 2'03.006

24 Nakatomi Shinichi YZF Yamaha Yamaha YZF-R1 20 2'03.542

25 Sofuoglu Kenan Hannspree Ten Kate Honda Jr. Honda CBR1000RR 19 2'03.765

26 Aoyama Shuhei Alto Evolution Honda Superbike Honda CBR1000RR 20 2'03.796

27 Tamada Makoto Kawasaki PSG-1 Corse Kawasaki ZX-10R 14 2'04.264

28 Napoleone Loic Grillini PBR Team Yamaha YZF-R1 15 2'06.363
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Qualifying 1 results Supersport:

1 Foret Fabien Yamaha World Supersport Yamaha YZF-R6 12 2'03.495

2 Rea Jonathan Hannspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR600RR 16 2'03.841

3 Lagrive Matthieu Intermoto Czech Honda CBR600RR 15 2'04.017

4 Lascorz Joan Glaner Motocard.com Honda CBR600RR 16 2'04.343

5 Nannelli Gianluca Hannspree Honda Altea Honda CBR600RR 15 2'04.446

6 Jones Craig Parkalgar Racing Team Honda CBR600RR 14 2'04.766

7 Salom David Yamaha Spain Yamaha YZF-R6 15 2'04.858

8 Veneman Barry Ressoftware Hoegee Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R600 15 2'04.880

9 Pitt Andrew Hannspree Ten Kate Honda Honda CBR600RR 16 2'04.996

10 Clementi Ivan Triumph Italia BE1 Racing Triumph 675 14 2'05.211

11 Aitchison Mark Triumph Italia BE1 Racing Triumph 675 14 2'05.217

12 Vizziello Gianluca Berry Racing Honda CBR600RR 13 2'05.264

13 Parkes Broc Yamaha World Supersport Yamaha YZF-R6 15 2'05.301

14 McCoy Garry Triumph - SC Triumph 675 13 2'05.349

15 Kallio Vesa Benjan Racing Team Honda CBR600RR 18 2'05.445

16 Giansanti Mirko Berry Racing Honda CBR600RR 16 2'05.495

17 Antonelli Andrea Hannspree Honda Altea Honda CBR600RR 14 2'05.586

18 Roccoli Massimo Yamaha Lorenzini by Leoni Yamaha YZF-R6 10 2'05.715

19 Fujiwara Katsuaki Kawasaki Gil Motor Sport Kawasaki ZX-6R 11 2'05.742

20 Vincent Arnaud Gil Motor Sport - Solution F Kawasaki ZX-6R 16 2'05.941

21 Gowland Graeme Benjan Racing Team Honda CBR600RR 18 2'06.007

22 Leblanc Gregory CRS Grand Prix Honda CBR600RR 14 2'06.033

23 Harms Robbin Hannspree Stiggy Motors. Honda Honda CBR600RR 13 2'06.139

24 Alfonsi Lorenzo PMS Kawasaki ZX-6R 15 2'06.406

25 Brookes Joshua Hannspree Stiggy Motors. Honda Honda CBR600RR 13 2'06.468

26 Praia Miguel Parkalgar Racing Team Honda CBR600RR 10 2'06.751

27 Walker Chris Kawasaki Gil Motor Sport Kawasaki ZX-6R 7 2'06.755

28 Dionisi Ilario Triumph - SC Triumph 675 14 2'07.246

29 De Angelis William Intermoto Czech Honda CBR600RR 16 2'07.327

30 Barragan Santiago Glaner Motocard.com Honda CBR600RR 17 2'07.681

31 Van Keymeulen Didier Ressoftware Hoegee Suzuki Suzuki GSX-R600 13 2'07.935

32 Nedog Luka CRS Grand Prix Honda CBR600RR 17 2'08.761

33 Talmacsi Gergo Factory Racing Honda CBR600RR 15 2'09.165

34 Dell'Omo Danilo HP Racing Team Honda CBR600RR 16 2'10.891

34 Dell'Omo Danilo HP Racing Team Honda CBR600RR 16 2'10.891

35 Magda Attila Factory Racing Honda CBR600RR 16 2'11.246

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36 Pedro Subirats Josep Yamaha Spain Yamaha YZF-R6 16 2'12.619
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7 Lanzi Lorenzo R.G. Team Ducati 1098 RS 08 18 2'00.724

11 Fabrizio Michel Ducati Xerox Team Ducati 1098 F08 19 2'00.937
I see Lanzi has something to prove to Xerox Can't wait to see the race!!

Anyways.... i think it's going to be a Bayliss double!
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doesnt look very promising for the Stalker does it? Thats a bloody awful performance!!
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Wow, Ten Kate have a lot of work to do. And Kawasaki have lost the plot. Think we'll see a Bayliss, Haga and Corser podium. Either way, I'm just glad we have some racing to discuss!
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doesnt look very promising for the Stalker does it? Thats a bloody awful performance!!
c'mon chunder, there's 2 brits in the top 6, dont be greedy - triumph's in the top 10

those pedercini kawasaki's are quicker than the psg-1 boys... good to see suzuki's up there too...
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http://superbike.perugiatiming.com/ Does anyone have the password to this please?
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Qualifying 2 Superbike results:

1 Corser Troy Yamaha YZF-R1 1'59.627 1'58.560 34 1'58.560

2 Bayliss Troy Ducati 1098 F08 1'59.853 1'58.829 35 1'58.829

3 Neukirchner Max Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'00.904 1'58.990 38 1'58.990

4 Haga Noriyuki Yamaha YZF-R1 2'00.476 1'59.173 31 1'59.173

5 Lanzi Lorenzo Ducati 1098 RS 08 2'00.724 1'59.337 37 1'59.337

6 Biaggi Max Ducati 1098 RS 08 2'00.744 1'59.435 37 1'59.435

7 Fabrizio Michel Ducati 1098 F08 2'00.937 1'59.554 35 1'59.554

8 Checa Carlos Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.409 1'59.758 38 1'59.758

9 Nieto Fonsi Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'00.307 1'59.805 41 1'59.805

10 Xaus Ruben Ducati 1098 RS 08 2'00.695 1'59.940 33 1'59.940

11 Kagayama Yukio Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'00.599 1'59.998 37 1'59.998

12 Badovini Ayrton Kawasaki ZX-10R 2'01.677 2'00.033 33 2'00.033

13 Smrz Jakub Ducati 1098 RS 08 2'01.955 2'00.148 34 2'00.148

14 Sofuoglu Kenan Honda CBR1000RR 2'03.765 2'00.292 38 2'00.292

15 Lavilla Gregorio Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.729 2'00.438 34 2'00.438

16 Rolfo Roberto Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.004 2'00.522 38 2'00.522

17 Gimbert Sébastien Yamaha YZF-R1 2'00.857 2'00.554 41 2'00.554

18 Muggeridge Karl Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.086 2'00.607 34 2'00.607

19 Checa David Yamaha YZF-R1 2'01.984 2'00.643 41 2'00.643

20 Kiyonari Ryuichi Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.494 2'00.698 38 2'00.698

21 Iannuzzo Vittorio Kawasaki ZX-10R 2'02.256 2'00.854 32 2'00.854

22 Holland Russel Honda CBR1000RR 2'03.006 2'00.971 38 2'00.971

23 Tamada Makoto Kawasaki ZX-10R 2'04.264 2'01.303 30 2'01.303

24 Morelli Luca Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.980 2'01.396 38 2'01.396

25 Laconi Régis Kawasaki ZX-10R 2'02.100 2'01.429 32 2'01.429

26 Nakatomi Shinichi Yamaha YZF-R1 2'03.542 2'01.675 40 2'01.675

27 Aoyama Shuhei Honda CBR1000RR 2'03.796 2'02.059 41 2'02.059

28 Napoleone Loic Yamaha YZF-R1 2'06.363 2'05.516 31 2'05.516
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You can go to the official wsbk site www.superbike.it, they run free live timing, no password required.
Edit: In typical Flamini style, the live timing link at the official site doesn't work anymore...

Superpole went to Troy Corser (ofcourse) with an amazing lap, beating the surprisingly thin looking Xaus. Biaggi third. Bayliss is only 4th Ducatisti . The Suzuki's looked good, all 3 of the worksteam in the Superpole session. The Honda's sure have work to do, but I know those bikes are almost stock, being delivered to the teams very late. However, Kawasaki is in real trouble, the official works team not in the Top 20, Ayrton Badovini (I love that name) did a hell of job putting the thing in superpole (remember, Superstock don't ride here, so he was kinda new to the track).

1 Corser Troy Yamaha YZF-R1 1'59.627 1'58.560 34 1'58.053

2 Xaus Ruben Ducati 1098 RS 08 2'00.695 1'59.940 33 1'58.689

3 Biaggi Max Ducati 1098 RS 08 2'00.744 1'59.435 37 1'58.767

4 Neukirchner Max Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'00.904 1'58.990 38 1'58.964

5 Lanzi Lorenzo Ducati 1098 RS 08 2'00.724 1'59.337 37 1'58.975

6 Haga Noriyuki Yamaha YZF-R1 2'00.476 1'59.173 31 1'59.017

7 Bayliss Troy Ducati 1098 F08 1'59.853 1'58.829 35 1'59.224

8 Kagayama Yukio Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'00.599 1'59.998 37 1'59.285

9 Checa Carlos Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.409 1'59.758 38 1'59.417

10 Fabrizio Michel Ducati 1098 F08 2'00.937 1'59.554 35 1'59.450

11 Nieto Fonsi Suzuki GSX-R1000 2'00.307 1'59.805 41 1'59.921

12 Smrz Jakub Ducati 1098 RS 08 2'01.955 2'00.148 34 1'59.984

13 Lavilla Gregorio Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.729 2'00.438 34 2'00.095

14 Sofuoglu Kenan Honda CBR1000RR 2'03.765 2'00.292 38 2'00.313

15 Rolfo Roberto Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.004 2'00.522 38 2'01.208

16 Badovini Ayrton Kawasaki ZX-10R 2'01.677 2'00.033 33 2'01.238

Others In Grid

17 Gimbert Sébastien Yamaha YZF-R1 2'00.857 2'00.554 41

18 Muggeridge Karl Honda CBR1000RR 2'01.086 2'00.607 34

19 Checa David Yamaha YZF-R1 2'01.984 2'00.643 41

20 Kiyonari Ryuichi Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.494 2'00.698 38

21 Iannuzzo Vittorio Kawasaki ZX-10R 2'02.256 2'00.854 32

22 Holland Russel Honda CBR1000RR 2'03.006 2'00.971 38

23 Tamada Makoto Kawasaki ZX-10R 2'04.264 2'01.303 30

24 Morelli Luca Honda CBR1000RR 2'02.980 2'01.396 38

25 Laconi Régis Kawasaki ZX-10R 2'02.100 2'01.429 32

26 Nakatomi Shinichi Yamaha YZF-R1 2'03.542 2'01.675 40

27 Aoyama Shuhei Honda CBR1000RR 2'03.796 2'02.059 41

28 Napoleone Loic Yamaha YZF-R1 2'06.363 2'05.516 31
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Two oldtimers in the top 10, 7th and 8th very impressive by Triumph .

1 Foret Fabien Yamaha YZF-R6 2'03.495 2'01.928 23 2'01.928

2 Jones Craig Honda CBR600RR 2'04.766 2'02.273 30 2'02.273

3 Lagrive Matthieu Honda CBR600RR 2'04.017 2'02.554 31 2'02.554

4 Rea Jonathan Honda CBR600RR 2'03.841 2'02.617 30 2'02.617

5 Parkes Broc Yamaha YZF-R6 2'05.301 2'02.636 31 2'02.636

6 Lascorz Joan Honda CBR600RR 2'04.343 2'02.718 32 2'02.718

7 McCoy Garry Triumph 675 2'05.349 2'02.770 27 2'02.770

8 Clementi Ivan Triumph 675 2'05.211 2'02.862 28 2'02.862

9 Salom David Yamaha YZF-R6 2'04.858 2'02.866 30 2'02.866

10 Pitt Andrew Honda CBR600RR 2'04.996 2'02.903 30 2'02.903

11 Aitchison Mark Triumph 675 2'05.217 2'02.964 27 2'02.964

12 Brookes Joshua Honda CBR600RR 2'06.468 2'02.986 29 2'02.986

13 Veneman Barry Suzuki GSX-R600 2'04.880 2'03.205 31 2'03.205

14 Nannelli Gianluca Honda CBR600RR 2'04.446 2'03.237 30 2'03.237

15 Gowland Graeme Honda CBR600RR 2'06.007 2'03.322 35 2'03.322

16 Vizziello Gianluca Honda CBR600RR 2'05.264 2'03.428 27 2'03.428

17 Leblanc Gregory Honda CBR600RR 2'06.033 2'03.443 28 2'03.443

18 Praia Miguel Honda CBR600RR 2'06.751 2'03.660 24 2'03.660

19 Fujiwara Katsuaki Kawasaki ZX-6R 2'05.742 2'03.959 25 2'03.959

20 Walker Chris Kawasaki ZX-6R 2'06.755 2'03.994 23 2'03.994

21 Antonelli Andrea Honda CBR600RR 2'05.586 2'04.046 30 2'04.046

22 Harms Robbin Honda CBR600RR 2'06.139 2'04.178 29 2'04.178

23 Kallio Vesa Honda CBR600RR 2'05.445 2'04.349 33 2'04.349

24 Alfonsi Lorenzo Kawasaki ZX-6R 2'06.406 2'04.600 31 2'04.600

25 Giansanti Mirko Honda CBR600RR 2'05.495 2'04.657 32 2'04.657

26 De Angelis William Honda CBR600RR 2'07.327 2'04.792 31 2'04.792

27 Van Keymeulen Didier Suzuki GSX-R600 2'07.935 2'04.867 29 2'04.867

28 Roccoli Massimo Yamaha YZF-R6 2'05.715 2'05.093 22 2'05.093

29 Dionisi Ilario Triumph 675 2'07.246 2'05.251 29 2'05.251

30 Barragan Santiago Honda CBR600RR 2'07.681 2'05.550 34 2'05.550

31 Vincent Arnaud Kawasaki ZX-6R 2'05.941 2'07.519 26 2'05.941

32 Nedog Luka Honda CBR600RR 2'08.761 2'06.050 33 2'06.050

33 Dell'Omo Danilo Honda CBR600RR 2'10.891 2'07.323 31 2'07.323

33 Dell'Omo Danilo Honda CBR600RR 2'10.891 2'07.323 31 2'07.323

34 Magda Attila Honda CBR600RR 2'11.246 2'07.459 31 2'07.459

35 Talmacsi Gergo Honda CBR600RR 2'09.165 2'07.882 30 2'07.882

36 Pedro Subirats Josep Yamaha YZF-R6 2'12.619 2'09.188 31 2'09.188
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OK thanks, I just googled World Superbikes Live Timing and the Perugia one was the first one I found.
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Hehe J, as I have told you in the past I really have no preference either way for British riders, I would like to see Bradders and Toseland do well but only coz no Brits have done anything in the past.

SS for me is a rather low key formula kinda Division 2, those British lads who a re in there should all be on Superbikes!! Not to take anything away from the SS series, which actually looks really good this year, more strength in depth in WSBK even! But you know what I mean, riding SS is better than another year on the tredmaill in BSB, plus you et to go nice places!!
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Looking forward to this! I have to wait till Sunday to watch the races though. At least we get both races and not one. Thank you Speed. Sort of...

I don't understand why Honda held off delivering the bikes so late. American Honda also got their bikes very late.

Corser for a win maybe?
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Corser for a win maybe?
It's sure looking that way, but as we know, it can all change in the race.

Can't wait.
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Maybe the season is starting too early? Somehow it doesn't seem like people are ready for the first 2 rounds. Ten Kate, PSG and the factory Ducatis in particular have under-performed. Great effort by Jonny Rea in Supersport BTW.
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First wet round will be first win for McCoy. Either that or if they start putting scrub tyres on the rear.

Second, what is with 28 bikes in the SBK grid? What is this? 1998?

This isn't modern superbike at all.

Thirdly, I have no thirdly. Oh yes I do. I have to work, damnit so I miss the first race.
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spoiler alert
1st race .. super race ..
MaxN leading for Suzuki .. corser maxB bayless all fighting
shame for the haga incident .. i think he touched maxB back tyre

can't wait for the 2nd
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Old 23 Feb 2008, 11:34 (Ref:2135718)   #22
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Tazz should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Also very good supersport race. Excelet finish!!
Can't wait for the 2nd too.
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Old 23 Feb 2008, 11:52 (Ref:2135740)   #23
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gomick should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridgomick should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridgomick should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
that was a great ride by bayliss in race 1 - a couple of mistakes by troy because he was pushing so hard, but, what a champ

** chunder, round 1 - bleedin' aussies
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Old 23 Feb 2008, 12:15 (Ref:2135761)   #24
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gomick should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridgomick should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridgomick should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
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Old 23 Feb 2008, 12:20 (Ref:2135766)   #25
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gomick should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridgomick should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridgomick should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
foret - you poor ba$tard... lascorz, who is he - broc

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