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Old 25 Jun 2006, 00:19 (Ref:1640593)   #1
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BMW facing protest over rear wing...
Another week, another rear wing protest.

Apparently Honda are about to, or have put in a protest over BMW's rear wing, claiming they have:

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...Detailed photographic evidence circulated among teams, and obtained by autosport.com, has prompted Honda to consider lodging a protest against BMW-Sauber after Sunday's Canadian GP amid a fresh row over flexi-wings...
When will this row go away?

Are they legal, are they illegal, can they flex a bit, are they not allowed to flex at all?

Does anyone have any details on what the FIA changed about the rear wing tests before Canada?
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 02:03 (Ref:1640605)   #2
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I will definitely never buy a Honda.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 02:15 (Ref:1640606)   #3
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Why is mighty Honda worried about Sauber anyway? Weren't they supposed to be winning races and contending for the championship this year?
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 02:40 (Ref:1640608)   #4
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Vill-Tracy? Nah, can't be this year, I thought they meant last year...


...or the year before that?



...or the year before that even?


Ahh what ever, its hard to keep track with DC as your press officer.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 03:00 (Ref:1640612)   #5
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Incidently, both Ferrari changed rear wings just before qually and it went much better for them after that.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 03:31 (Ref:1640623)   #6
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Monster, if we are talking about the thing announced the other day, and it has been implemented for Canada, then, as far as I am aware, the change is just that spacers are put in to prevent the closing up (the wings don't need to be altered per say).

Anyway, whatever the situation regarding BMW, it is Ferrari's fault.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 10:13 (Ref:1640739)   #7
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Incidently, both Ferrari changed rear wings just before qually and it went much better for them after that.
That would take some explaining.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 10:14 (Ref:1640740)   #8
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Anyway, whatever the situation regarding BMW, it is Ferrari's fault.
Of course it is,they started it first.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 10:45 (Ref:1640756)   #9
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The FIA haven't said anything. I've seen the evidence on Autosport, and it seems quite flagrant, to be honest. There's quite a bit of separation, but I'm not sure about the angles the pics were taken from.

What is funny is that Honda say "if Jacques Villeneuve or Nick Heidfeld finish ahead of our cars, we will lodge a protest".

Surely if it's illegal it's illegal in first place or in last place? Does that mean that if Honda weren't underperforming they wouldn't care about BMW's wing...?
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 11:04 (Ref:1640763)   #10
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All the teams wings should be declared illegal at the seasons end and Super Aguri should win both championships by default because their wings were made years ago.I can collect my one million pounds and this forum will go into melt down.

One could imagine some kind of heating element inside the rear wing (or any aero device) which makes the wing more pliable.Explaining to the FIA about why your wing has melted could be tricky though.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 11:11 (Ref:1640767)   #11
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I'm rapidly starting to lose respect for Honda.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 11:17 (Ref:1640771)   #12
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I'm rapidly starting to lose respect for Honda.
Sour grapes,because their bendy wing doesn't work.

2006: The season of who has the slightly better tyre or the bendiest wings.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 11:25 (Ref:1640781)   #13
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If JV was currently driving for Honda, and Honda were protesting BMW, would you buy a Honda?
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 11:47 (Ref:1640792)   #14
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Those pictures on Autosport.com are a nie idea, but frankly show nothing.

And there is a distinct lack of desire to find some facts too.
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What is funny is that Honda say "if Jacques Villeneuve or Nick Heidfeld finish ahead of our cars, we will lodge a protest".
Well what do you want them to say? If BMW finish ahead of our cars, we will endeavour to build a half decent car for once instead of whining petulantly again?!?

What, are you crazy?!?
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 13:24 (Ref:1640836)   #16
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I smelt a Rat...when Kubica (good as we all acknowledge he is) set a fastest lap of 1.16.390 on a very dirty, green track in Friday's first free paractice, TWO seconds faster than anyone else! In the second Friday session his 1.16.965 was over a second quicker than his teams 2 race drivers, who did nearly 30 laps between them to ended up only setting 9th & 10th fastest times.

Then in Qually 2, JV sets a 1.15.5 to split the Renaults!...Come on!

In business that fights over tenths, hundred's and thousand's of a second, only idiot's would be fooled by such nonsense anyway!
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 13:35 (Ref:1640839)   #17
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I don't understand. Why does the third driver being one second faster than the race drivers mean that there is a problem with the rear wing?

I can see why a quick time might be questioned? But why specifically JV's 15.5 in a rubbered in track when compared to a 16.9 on a green track?

Surely this can be explained by many differening situations?

Anyway, how much is this dodgy wing worth then? 2s a lap?
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All pure conjecture, I'm afraid.
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"BMW-Sauber have been given the all-clear by the FIA over their rear wing after additional inspections of the F1.06 by the governing body this morning, autosport.com has learned."

from www.autosport.com
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...Detailed photographic evidence circulated among teams, and obtained by autosport.com, has prompted Honda to consider lodging a protest against BMW-Sauber after Sunday's Canadian GP amid a fresh row over flexi-wings...
Honda have been protesting against the majority of the F1 teams, is that gonna be their way to try and win a GP?
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I don't remember them protesting anything?

Are they going to protest now they have been beaten by BMW now? It would seem daft as the FIA checked them (as koper pointed out), this morning.
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They can't protest, as has been said the BMW's are confirmed as legal.

Honda need to concentrate on maintaining their constructors position now, as it may be under threat.
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I'm going to state the bleedin'
They need to develop a faster car and the drivers need to drive quicker.
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of course they can ..
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Oh, they can.

But it would be pointless, as Adam says.
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