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23 Jul 2003, 05:59 (Ref:669042)
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good fisi idea
hello chaps not sure if anyone has been talking about this but i think it would be cool to see Fisi next to Button at BAR next year. we all know Fisi is not a happy camper at Jordan and there's all types of jibberish sorrunding Villeneuve. I wouldn't mind seeing Jacques in Ferrari just to shut him up and see what he really can do...
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23 Jul 2003, 06:02 (Ref:669044)
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Instead why not replace JV with somebody decent?
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23 Jul 2003, 06:09 (Ref:669049)
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I don't think GF would have much trouble pairing up against JB and winning. But the thing is, Sato, who GF trounced, will be next in line.
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23 Jul 2003, 07:10 (Ref:669076)
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Anyhow, it's rumoured that GF way be moving to Sauber next year.
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23 Jul 2003, 07:38 (Ref:669086)
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I think Fisco will wait to see if Jordon go through with the Merc deal.If the car becomes really competitive he will stay at Jordon or else it looks likely he will go to Sauber
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23 Jul 2003, 07:48 (Ref:669093)
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23 Jul 2003, 07:52 (Ref:669096)
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ohh yeah i forgot about sato. but i think going to sauber is another micky-mouse move he needs to get in a works team with a real engine (even though the engine sauber use is good it's not going to move him up the grid anytime soon like toyata and renault and probably doesn't have the same kind of funding.
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23 Jul 2003, 08:22 (Ref:669124)
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The Jordan did look very unstable in comparison to the other cars, going through Chapel last weekend.
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23 Jul 2003, 08:22 (Ref:669125)
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Picked this up from www.f1technical.net news section....
Since the start of the season Giancarlo Fisichella has set his goals high. Like every driver, he has wanted to race for topteams like Williams, Ferrari and Mclaren, sadly all of those teams have been out of the talented Italian's reach. Recently, Giancarlo has been rumored to be sniffing at Saubers front door. This week he even visited the team's facilities at Hinwill. "There is no secret, we visited Sauber's facility last week," said Fisichella's manager, Enrico Zanarini. Peter Sauber has been a fan of Fisichella and has openly addmitted that he would like to hire him for the next season. For many of his fans, there would be no doubt for him to move to Sauber. "My goal is still to go in one of the top three teams in F1. I would like to go to Sauber if Ferrari increases its implication with this team. However, I am still with Jordan and I am waiting for a confirmation from Eddie Jordan that Mercedes will power the EJ14. I will decide once I know all the elements" concluded Giancarlo. (Felipe Fernandes) |
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23 Jul 2003, 11:50 (Ref:669320)
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Wow that is interesting Jukebox...however Sauber isn't much of a step up from Jordan and Fisi deserves a much better car IMO.
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Doesn't it seem sad that drivers like Fisichella, Coultard, Barrichello, and Ralf all have secure seats in F1, despite having had race winning cars for many more seasons than Jacques, yet failing to chalk up as many wins as he (let alone a WDC) that it is Jacques who doesn't have a drive in F1??? Sad indeed.
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23 Jul 2003, 12:02 (Ref:669327)
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I have to say, that although Fisi is ranked highly (hear Inigo, hear) he has been blocked by the talented youngsters through out the years. He's thinking of getting into Sauber, aiming Ferrari, while Ferrari is (almost) certainly putting Massa back there to prepare the boy. He's thinking of staying at Jordan, aiming McLaren, while Ron has a champion-in-the-making (??? or already-made) with Kimi, and have eyes on Heidfeld.
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23 Jul 2003, 12:17 (Ref:669339)
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Bon, there is room for Fisi at Mac. He can help Kimi become the driver everyone thinks he will be. I no longer believe there is room for him at Ferrari. As you say, Massa will take Barichello's spot.
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23 Jul 2003, 12:54 (Ref:669369)
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23 Jul 2003, 13:32 (Ref:669399)
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Enrico has close connection to Ferrari as he was Eddie Irvines manager, whilst Eddie was at Ferrari (and Jaguar). Sauber will proberbly still be using Ferrari engines next season (due to Jordan proberbly getting the Mercs), put Fisi in the Sauber for a season, Rubens contract ends at the finish of the 2004 season, Fisi is in the right place at the right time to fill the empty Ferrari seat!! I have always maintained that Ferrari will never hire another Italian due to the politics involved, and i still believe that, but i had fun working out my theory all the same
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23 Jul 2003, 13:49 (Ref:669416)
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mr. v., I think that's close to the truth, but the real catch is Massa in the second Sauber seat, thereby allowing Ferrari to have a head to head comparison between the two for 2005.
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23 Jul 2003, 14:46 (Ref:669461)
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this is a dill of a pickle. Two italians vieing for the same seat at ferrari and having to wait for a departure of RB and MS, and Badoer woudl be now where?
Oi-bad bad Fisi if he goes to sauber will end up like Jos or H-H and always be a grid filler with momente of a 'would be' Fisi can stay put as a best option jumping to sauber-even with a ferarri connection is too desparate, I think the Jordan Mercedes deal would work out much better than the ferarri-sauber. where are the other factory engine deals? BMW, TOYOTA (not a bad motor those speed at silverstone) I see Toyota rising as they can only improve and are making strides...Fisi can ill afford to be slapped as a tester or foght for a seat and lose out on a sure thing-hence losing everything. |
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23 Jul 2003, 16:48 (Ref:669584)
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As Eero once reminded me, there is always the possibility of the top teams being forced to run 3 cars...
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23 Jul 2003, 17:10 (Ref:669608)
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Massa is Brazillian though, not Italian. Otherwise you're about right, it could boil down to a shoot out of sorts, but they'd expect Fisichella to beat Massa by some distance with his extra experience.
Of course, if they end up running 3 cars or Michael retires in 2004 (it's posisble I think, especially if he had one big crash or ceased to be competitive) they could both get ferrari drives. Realistically though, ina team of Michael, Massa and Giancarlo, Fisichella would be the number 3 who doesn't gain any real support from the team, which is still a waste of one of the ebst drivers out there. |
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23 Jul 2003, 17:19 (Ref:669616)
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Have to disagree Boots. If Giancarlo makes it to Ferrari, he'd be given lots of support. The Italian fans would not stand for anything else.
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23 Jul 2003, 17:37 (Ref:669626)
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Really ? That's funny, I always heard that the Italians re not supportive having a italian driver in Ferrari... like some kind of superstition.
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23 Jul 2003, 17:48 (Ref:669641)
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Ivan Cappelli.
Don't worry ringo, the idea of Fissy in a BAR doesn't fill me with horror/suprise either. I was right about Wilson after all...
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23 Jul 2003, 17:52 (Ref:669643)
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Bon, I think that its Ferrari management that is reluctant to put an Italian in the seat - for fear of crushing the poor guy with pressure. I am pretty sure Italians would love to see him in there.
You think Ascari's death might have had something to do with it? Any oldtimers (Eero? ) around that might be able to provide some insight?Tris, Capelli was stuck in a terrible Ferrari, and behind another Italian (at least, partly) with much greater promise... Last edited by Inigo Montoya; 23 Jul 2003 at 17:58. |
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23 Jul 2003, 18:02 (Ref:669652)
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Yeah, maybe... the pressure would be 10 times harder for a italian. I guess Ascari's death have a relation too, and as Tristan pointed out: Ivan Capelli.
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23 Jul 2003, 18:03 (Ref:669654)
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Italians in Ferrari? I think, if indeed there is a reason at all, the reason will be to do with the here and now.
In the days of Ascari there was considerable distaste for Italians dying in a Ferrari (even from the Pope!). However a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. We have had more recent examples that have worked and not worked in different ways. However, even Alboreto or Capelli's time at Ferrari occurred when it was a very different team to what it is now. Maybe it is worth noting that Ferrari have had an Italian test driver (Badoer) for a few years now. |
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23 Jul 2003, 18:14 (Ref:669660)
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Mmmyeah, but Luca deserves a better fate than that...
 And so does Giancarlo. Trulli not... (IMO) Last edited by ASCII Man; 23 Jul 2003 at 18:15. |
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