Jordan or BAR?

Wrex · 30 May 2001, 12:45 (Ref:98834)

I know everyone is sick of Polls, but this one is simple.

At AUTOSPORT.com I read that Honda plans to go back to supplying only one team next year. Will the buy out BAR or continue their 5 year commitment to Eddie.

Thoughts?

Airhead · 30 May 2001, 13:22 (Ref:98851)

Gee Wrex,

Scintillating response to this one Big Fella!

Airhead · 30 May 2001, 13:24 (Ref:98852)

So it looks better than it is - I voted the same as you!

Ed G · 30 May 2001, 16:04 (Ref:98904)

With JV's Podium and 4th in Monaco I think that Jordan doesn't have it in the bag anymore.

Plus with Jordan Honda loses JV for marketing in the U.S. and Canada as well as Japan.

Honda will support BAR and eventually end up owning the team.

Jay · 30 May 2001, 17:01 (Ref:98926)

The general feeling around the paddock (according to itv) is that BAR will get it, Jordan will be dumped at the end of this year. There was even a rumour that an announcement would be made this week.

While Jordan's cars appear to be faster, they are also much more unreliable, and have had trouble finishing this season. BAR have not been as fast, but have often been around at the end to collect the points. Honda are supposedly very fond of Jacques Villeneuve and want him to carry the manufacturer to the top step of the podium and beyond. The first podium was also a big deal, even if it came at the hand of Mika Hakkinen's bad luck.

There are also rumours that Jordan have been talking with Mercedes about possibly supplying another team...

IMO, Jordan probably already knows their fate.

JeremySmith · 30 May 2001, 23:52 (Ref:99106)

It seem's to me that Honda will stay with BAR so that in the future the can purchase the team..They have JV and Honda like him a lot.

renault110 · 31 May 2001, 01:50 (Ref:99128)

Got to agree with Ed G.

mac · 31 May 2001, 03:07 (Ref:99159)

I reckon Honda will go with BAR - but if they had brains they'd go with Jordan.

senna12 · 31 May 2001, 04:21 (Ref:99168)

I also feel the edge goes to BAR in this one. JV has recently re-affirmed his commitment to the team, and I think he knows something's in the cards. He is the only one of the drivers really connected to Honda (and Japan, having raced there). Trulli is Flav's guy, Heinz is out of the Mercedes camp, and Olivier's never driven a Honda before BAR, I think?
Honda will buy the team, followed by some major housecleaning. Sooner than later, I hope....

DNQ · 31 May 2001, 07:08 (Ref:99198)

Sadly, I'd have to say BAR. They are a bigger team, and have more money.

Run Free · 31 May 2001, 15:12 (Ref:99335)

Quote:

Originally posted by senna12
Olivier's never driven a Honda before BAR, I think?
Honda will buy the team, followed by some major housecleaning. Sooner than later, I hope....

Panis drove a Ligier MUGEN-HONDA .

Apart from that, Honda has the possibility to purchase BAR, not Jordan. And have young engineers working and learning F1 at BAR, not at Jordan.
I think they got a deal with Jordan mainly to know if the fault in BAR's last year performance was due to BAR or to themselves, and also to accelerate the engine's developement.
But now with Toyota entering the arena, they need to concentrate their efforts on only one team; and I think that team will be BAR.

EERO · 31 May 2001, 18:02 (Ref:99396)

Run Free, i think you're on the mark. Jordan might be abetter short-term solution, but Honda wants CONTROL and BAR will be a wholly-owned Honda company in no time.

Liz · 31 May 2001, 18:06 (Ref:99401)

Erm, pitlane gossip says that Jacques is not a good engine-feedback guy and that Honda find him frustrating to work with. "He can go very fast but when he gets out of the car, he cannot tell you why he went fast."

Plus Jacques is not really that popular with the Honda people.

However, anything can happen and most usually does. I think it'll stay as it is.

Run Free · 31 May 2001, 20:40 (Ref:99453)

Quote:

Originally posted by Liz
Erm, pitlane gossip says that Jacques is not a good engine-feedback guy and that Honda find him frustrating to work with. "He can go very fast but when he gets out of the car, he cannot tell you why he went fast."

Plus Jacques is not really that popular with the Honda people.

However, anything can happen and most usually does. I think it'll stay as it is.

At least Jacques is very good in setup (see Monaco, where Panis was miles behind Jacques all the weekend) and in tyres work (Patrick Head himself said this). So, with Panis being able in engine feedback (but what it means with all the telemetry data?) BAR has all what they need in terms of drivers. BTW, if you haven't a fast car you need fast drivers...

I too have got the impression that Jacques wasn't "popular" with someone at Honda: they have political troubles as well as BAR.
What a shame things have gone this way, they've so much potential

Wrex · 1 Jun 2001, 05:44 (Ref:99607)

Well the rumor is that a decision will be handed down at Canada. I think BAR will be bought out, as Honda always wanted their own team. And with Toyota and Renault doing the same, it is an obvious choice. What will Eddie do? Are Mercs really an option?

badoer fan · 1 Jun 2001, 11:12 (Ref:99696)

I think it'll be BAR, but I'm feeling optimistic so I voted for Minardi!

Ralf's Girl · 1 Jun 2001, 13:29 (Ref:99745)

I'd say BAR will get the Honda engines because they're doing better than Jordan so far. Things could change though, and Honda will probably hold out to see who's ahead nearer to the end of the season.

Airhead · 1 Jun 2001, 13:38 (Ref:99748)

I have thought about this long and hard, throught the long and cold night.

And I agreee with R_ _ F's Girl!

**bella** · 1 Jun 2001, 13:41 (Ref:99750)

bar. definitely.
although where that'll leave eddie jordan in terms of driver contracts, money, etc nobody knows. will they go to being customer supplied by honda or what?

ireshad · 1 Jun 2001, 14:44 (Ref:99783)

Quote:

Originally posted by Ralf's Girl
I'd say BAR will get the Honda engines because they're doing better than Jordan so far.

Can I presume there was sarcasm involved there? Jordan have consistantly out-qualified, out raced and to date out pointed BAR. I went for Jordan assuming that Honda are looking for results soon. If however they are looking ahead awhile to buying out a team and ditching its management then it will be BAR. I think it would be a mistake on their part though. It also doesn't sit well with the fact they have already abandoned one Team Honda theory in favour of just suppling engines.

Ralf's Girl · 1 Jun 2001, 16:25 (Ref:99814)

Quote:

Originally posted by ireshad
Can I presume there was sarcasm involved there? Jordan have consistantly out-qualified, out raced and to date out pointed BAR.

Nope, no sarcasm involved - to look at the results, they suggest BAR are actually doing better. BAR are only a point behind Jordan, and they have already finished on the podium once compared to Jordan who haven't had a podium yet this season. Plus BAR have the advantage of having a previous world champion on board (a team with a former WDC is far more marketable than a team whose lead driver has only won three races).

ireshad · 1 Jun 2001, 17:14 (Ref:99854)

Melbourne:

Qual 4 & 7 Jordan, 8 & 9 BAR
Race 5 Jordan 7 Bar (1 Jordan 1 BAR DNF)

Sepang

Qual 5 & 9 Jordan 7 & 10 BAR
Race 4 & 8 Jordan (2 BAR DNF)

Interlagos

Qual 7 & 8 Jordan 11 & 12 BAR
Race 5 Jordan 4 & 7 BAR (1 Jordan DNF)

Imola
Qual 5 & 9 Jordan 8 & 11 BAR
Race 5 & 6 Jordan 8 BAR (1 BAR DNF)

Barcelona
Qual 6 & 8 Jordan 7 & 11 BAR
Race 4 Jordan 3 & 7 BAR (1 Jordan DNF)

A1
Qual 5 & 11 Jordan 10 & 12 BAR
Race 5 & 8 BAR (2 Jordan DNF)

Monaco
Qual 8 & 13 Jordan 9 & 12 BAR
Race 4 Bar (2 Jordan 1 BAR DNF)

Basically what that shows is that 1: A BAR has NEVER been the highest qualified Honda, and 2. Points finish wise, Jordans have finished in the points 6 times to Hondas 4, and in races where at least one Jordan and one Bar finished its honours even for the season 2-2.

ireshad · 1 Jun 2001, 17:15 (Ref:99856)

And Jordan lead BAR in the WCC.

Guy Goddard · 1 Jun 2001, 20:35 (Ref:99944)

Looking at the response I'm going to be in the minority to sat Jordon will get the Honda deal, although track results are very important Honda likes the image and the way Eddie Jordon runs his team. Jordon have a youthful dynamic image which Honda want to be associated with to broden there car sales and this may be the key to it.
Frentzen appears a weak link and its almost certain one driver will go next year, if Jordon take on a Japenese driver then the Honda deal will be theirs, but I really think the image "thing" is a consideration for Honda to try and get away from the over 6o's car driver....

Guy

Alan Jones · 1 Jun 2001, 21:20 (Ref:99970)

I'm voting for BAR as they have a close relationship with Honda already and In my opinion , a better driver lineup than EJ. That being said, I still love Jordan and hope they remain competitive. Would be a sad day in F1 if they didn't have a decent engine supplier.

View Poll Results: Who will get the Honda engine next year?
BAR will get the deal	22	52.38%
Jordan will come out on top	13	30.95%
Honda will continue to supply both	2	4.76%
Minardi will steal it from both of them	5	11.90%
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