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Old 28 Nov 2003, 13:24 (Ref:797074)   #1
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50% of Williams success due to tyres
According to Crash.net, Ralf Schumacher has given tyre manufacturer Michelin credit for 50% of Williams' success last season.

I would love to hear his verdict on where the other 50% came from - chassis or engine..... or maybe they were just 25% each?
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 13:28 (Ref:797082)   #2
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Just a figure of expression really. I don't think he is trying to quantify it exactly. What is clear is that the Michelins were very important.

As an aside I don't think this detracts from Williams. they helped develop them too. They are a team.
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 13:37 (Ref:797092)   #3
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Adam - you are being too logical - I was being mischievious!
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 14:03 (Ref:797126)   #4
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climb should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridclimb should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Anyways Ralf's statement is fully accaptable; i agree 100%
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 14:11 (Ref:797134)   #5
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Well without tyres they wouldn't be going anywhere, so I agree 99%, taking into account a 1% margin for error.
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 14:12 (Ref:797136)   #6
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Micheline employee by any chance? So how do you rate chassis and engine input, by the way
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 14:15 (Ref:797142)   #7
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climb should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridclimb should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Chassis: just fair
Engine: rumoured to be superpowerful, but Williams lost at Monza...
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 14:21 (Ref:797150)   #8
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Chassis: just fair
Engine: rumoured to be superpowerful, but Williams lost at Monza...
must have been the chassis at fault
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 16:07 (Ref:797227)   #9
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The tyres probably contributed more than 50% of Ferrari's 2002 and pre-Moanco 2003 success as well, nto to mention Indianapolis.

Chassis and engine helped Williams of course, as did Montoya's talent.
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 16:22 (Ref:797243)   #10
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Now it starts getting complicated:

Tyres 50%
Engine ?
Chassis ?
Driver ?

Personally I have a sneaking feeling that it is probaly 25% each (just work it out)
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 16:25 (Ref:797244)   #11
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50%? 1/3 driver 1/3 car 1/3 tyres
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 16:29 (Ref:797246)   #12
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more like 25% each in my humble opinion
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 16:47 (Ref:797254)   #13
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Just a note here. Things don't ebcome any mroe true when you say them a second time without bringing additional evidence or theories in.

Personally I think it varies from track to track, just as the importance of chassis and engine does.
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 16:50 (Ref:797257)   #14
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If we are talking about Ralf's car,
how about -

Tyres 50%
Engine 40%
Chassis 20%

Driver? -10%
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 16:51 (Ref:797258)   #15
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 16:57 (Ref:797262)   #16
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I'm sure there must have been some other teams on Michelin tyres?
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Adam - you are being too logical - I was being mischievious!
I only noticed a 20% level of mischieviousness
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 18:30 (Ref:797348)   #18
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The tires is what helped them stay in the running when the chassis was really bad. As it improved so did the tires. It made the car seem like night and day when their starting and ending performances are compared.

Anyone in doubt about RS's sentiments should also remember that at times Toyota and Jag were faster than Ferrari!! The only reason for them even being close is tires.
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and surprisingly it was the wrong TYRES that cost JPM the INDY GP and the WDC!!!!
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Ralf seems to be a brilliant technician, what level is his education ? Maybe a graduated engineer ?
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and surprisingly it was the wrong TYRES that cost JPM the INDY GP and the WDC!!!!
no Ralf that was 50% JPM and 50% Williams team
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well the inferiority of the Michie wets did play atleast a 10% part in JPM's poor showing Redblurr!
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fair point -so did using dry tyres in the wet -
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Old 28 Nov 2003, 20:09 (Ref:797447)   #24
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I only noticed a 20% level of mischieviousness
No - definitely 50%
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50% of people who use statistics are only covering up their lack of evidence. 20% are unsure of the reality, and the other 40% weren't good at Maths.
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