|
|||||||||||
|
|||||||||||
3 Jan 2011, 18:48 (Ref:2810617) | #1 | ||
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,830
|
New (Fantasy) Historic Race Series
OK, I think we are all agreed that there is a lot of (maybe too much) choice out there for some cars, but as pointed out by RickT on the latest Derwent thread on the subject some don't seem to be that well catered for.
So given the opportunity to have another series, what should it be? |
||
|
3 Jan 2011, 19:21 (Ref:2810628) | #2 | ||
Subscriber
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,783
|
Historic Mexico Challenge
|
||
|
3 Jan 2011, 20:24 (Ref:2810659) | #3 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,078
|
||
|
3 Jan 2011, 23:31 (Ref:2810719) | #4 | |
Rookie
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 51
|
Perfect world for us would be the HSCC letting over 2 litre sports racers into their new 2 litre series !
Failing that a Historic Can-Am series based at Oulton, Donington and Croft would do the trick Cheers Richard |
|
|
4 Jan 2011, 00:09 (Ref:2810725) | #5 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 439
|
Er, under 1300cc Italian GT Cars?
|
||
|
4 Jan 2011, 07:45 (Ref:2810839) | #6 | ||
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,830
|
It will probably be no surprise to some that my wish would be one series for Gp1, Gp2 and GpA saloons from late 60s to late 80s. All racing on tyres they used in period- slicks or treaded, and in carefully defined classes. Cars would be to correct specification for declared year, whether original or built out of period. So everything from Alfa GTA, BMW and early Escort via Jags, SD1s etc through to M3 and Sierra era.
|
||
|
4 Jan 2011, 08:23 (Ref:2810856) | #7 | ||
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
Join Date: Feb 1999
Posts: 37,573
|
Mike. That would apparently only work if you re write the regs to include large drivers in the weight of the car and only three laps so it would be cheap.
|
||
__________________
I've decided to stop reaching out to people. I'm just going to contact them instead. |
4 Jan 2011, 08:27 (Ref:2810858) | #8 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,699
|
And where would you get all these old period tyres Mike? Dunno why you have such a downer on the driver weighed in the car Peter its currently the norm in F1, BTCC, probably GT's and all the BMW championships its called progress. It doesnt effect the the lighter driver as everything for him remains the same just balances it out for the bigger guy I really fail to see a problem with that. It also simplifies and speeds up post race scrutineering as its more or less a drive through on the weigh bridge, it works well simple as that.
|
||
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter! |
4 Jan 2011, 08:32 (Ref:2810861) | #9 | ||
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
Join Date: Feb 1999
Posts: 37,573
|
But it is NOT Group 1 App J! Which is the point.
|
||
__________________
I've decided to stop reaching out to people. I'm just going to contact them instead. |
4 Jan 2011, 08:37 (Ref:2810862) | #10 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,699
|
Nor are big brakes, roller cams, none standard carbs, 8000rpm all steel Essex engines producing 300bhp etc etc etc. and a few other things I can think of. I think purely Group 1 departed many years ago.
|
||
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter! |
4 Jan 2011, 08:41 (Ref:2810866) | #11 | ||
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
Join Date: Feb 1999
Posts: 37,573
|
Exactly. Which is another reason why I'l never run out with CTCRC again.
Incidently. Ford homologated vented discs for the Capri for Grouup 1 and Group 2. Its in the certificate. |
||
__________________
I've decided to stop reaching out to people. I'm just going to contact them instead. |
4 Jan 2011, 09:56 (Ref:2810897) | #12 | |||
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,830
|
Quote:
Al, to clarify on tyres I mean period construction tyres- such as Avon crossply slicks or treaded Dunlops that are still made! Sorry for confusion. OT but what the heck- The 924 series race weight includes driver and the car I bought was driven by a whippet so had massive dumbell plates bolted to the floor. This had started to sag! |
|||
|
4 Jan 2011, 10:13 (Ref:2810901) | #13 | ||
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
Join Date: Feb 1999
Posts: 37,573
|
Yes, I have no problem with historic or classic series that don't purport to be based upon FIA regs, running any weight calculation they like.
|
||
__________________
I've decided to stop reaching out to people. I'm just going to contact them instead. |
4 Jan 2011, 11:56 (Ref:2810950) | #14 | ||
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,830
|
|||
|
4 Jan 2011, 12:09 (Ref:2810952) | #15 | |||
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
Join Date: Feb 1999
Posts: 37,573
|
Sorry Al to pick up on this further. The Cars ran larger carbs if homologated hence the Capri runs a 48IDA because Ford homologated it for high altitude locations. Already explained about brakes.
Quote:
My car is as close as the regs could get to Group 1 in 1998 and it hasn't changed since then. No need. It is at the homologated weight, runs homologated components and is reasonably quick (when fuel pumps aren't breaking up ). If I were to run to the revised weights for the CTCRC it would be under 1056kg and that is not Group 1. I also run with no additional cooling holes in the bodywork, I don't run adjustable TCAs either. |
|||
__________________
I've decided to stop reaching out to people. I'm just going to contact them instead. |
4 Jan 2011, 13:37 (Ref:2810996) | #16 | |
Rookie
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 51
|
Hi Mike
Yes, we run a 1968 McLaren M6B, we did the early Brands Masters round where he really struggled with mysteriously low grip in R1, but some tweaks improved it a little bit for R2, then later on we did the Donington event where we think the diff started to play up (this might have been part of the grip problem at Brands too). Will know more when customer work steadies off and we can have a proper look at it. Should be back out for more Masters this year, perhaps one of the new Peter Shleiffer organised Can-Am events if they go ahead. Cheers Richard |
|
|
4 Jan 2011, 15:16 (Ref:2811047) | #17 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,699
|
Pete I think you are getting confused somewhat with the weight thing. The weights are the same only weighed with driver onboard and an allowance of 75kgs has been added to the original weights to allow for that. So if you weight 75kgs the car will still have to weigh the same as before. Now there are not many guys weighing under that so no extra ballast will be required by anyone but of you are a porker you can if you like strip a bit of weight off, whether you would bother or not or as in my case could find anymore to strip off is another point. A lot of the Capris I see have a bit of ballast strapped in so this could help the heavier driver and level the playing field, and anyhow the regs in CTCRC have surely always been 'loosly' based on Group 1 or 1.5 but in a more practical way for todays marketplace. Maybe a name change wouldnt go a miss to appease the purists.
OH BTW the original suggestion by me on the weight with driver thing has not been implemented as I proposed, I wanted the old weights without driver to still be relevant just add 75 kgs if driver opted to stay in the car but for some unknown reason that was seen to be too complicated whereas I think to add 75kgs when a bloke is sitting in the car would not be beyond most scruts, that way even a 60kgs driver wouldnt loose out. It may also have satisfied the purists. |
||
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter! |
5 Jan 2011, 00:23 (Ref:2811279) | #18 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,478
|
I thought this was for fantasy race series posts......
Perhaps Al and Peter can rent a room and discuss driver weights - otherwise it seems to sneak into every thread! |
||
|
5 Jan 2011, 00:27 (Ref:2811280) | #19 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,478
|
Quote:
And perhaps one 24 hour race a year for the same. Treaded tyres only, no slicks. Off to bed to dream of this one...... |
|||
|
5 Jan 2011, 01:00 (Ref:2811289) | #20 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 66
|
A race series where we get prize money again! that would be truly historic.
|
||
|
5 Jan 2011, 05:55 (Ref:2811329) | #21 | |||
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,830
|
Quote:
jhh911- maybe if events were getting tens of thousands of spectators it could happen! |
|||
|
5 Jan 2011, 11:56 (Ref:2811440) | #22 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,834
|
Whisper it? *Publicity*
Promote it, and they will come. So long as it's not silly money, so offer "family tickets". I wonder if Silverstone could arrange a 'car park bank' like they sometimes did at Abbey, before that bank went? Charge a nominal premium, but you can park in the car, bring the picnic, watch the racing cars... |
||
__________________
Tim Yorath Ecurie Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch Fan of "the sacred monster Christophe Bouchut"... |
5 Jan 2011, 18:27 (Ref:2811575) | #23 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 9,718
|
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Historic motorsport is fantasy isn't it?
|
|
|
5 Jan 2011, 18:35 (Ref:2811580) | #24 | ||
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,830
|
|||
|
6 Jan 2011, 12:00 (Ref:2811872) | #25 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 2,026
|
Pre-1984 F2 and F Atlantics. Like HF2, but letting in the later G-E cars aswell.
|
||
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Just found this, the Historic TransAm Series. | Al Weyman | Historic Racing Today | 22 | 27 Nov 2009 02:09 |
FIA historic series ??? | Henrik Pedersen | Historic Racing Today | 4 | 26 Sep 2009 16:28 |
historic modsports and saloon series | col rooney | Historic Racing Today | 29 | 23 Sep 2008 15:40 |
Historic Springbok Series 2007 | Marcus Mussa | Historic Racing Today | 2 | 17 Feb 2007 10:41 |
Favourite Historic Series | paulzinho | Historic Racing Today | 25 | 1 Apr 2002 16:32 |