2012 Technology

thebear · 6 Oct 2011, 23:53 (Ref:2966905)

At a recent "open test" on Las Vegas' newly repaved oval NA$CAR's Hendrick, Penske and Waltrip teams, ran fuel-injected cars as they continue to develop the system before its fully implemented in 2012.

Goodyear had previously run tire tests on the new surface.

gttouring · 7 Oct 2011, 03:12 (Ref:2966942)

yeah i would love to know the lap times and how the EFI has worked out. this is very cool.

Clive Brown · 7 Oct 2011, 10:33 (Ref:2967053)

I thought the tests were run at PIR (Phoenix International Raceway), not Las Vegas. PIR has been repaved, the front stretch widened, the dog-leg in the back stretch altered, and the corners rebanked.

Tyre test times were slightly faster than Carl Edwards' February qualifying mark, but I wouldn't read too much into that because of the track changes and the fact that Goodyear took a different RH tyre to the test.

As for the EFI test, the #00, 2, and 24 teams ran extra cars. They all finished towards the bottom of the time sheets, but I wouldn't read too much into this as I don't believe the purpose of the EFI test was to try for times. When EFI is introduced, I expect the impact on performance to be negligible either way. What will be interesting will be to see if it has any beneficial effect on fuel mileage.

thebear · 7 Oct 2011, 12:16 (Ref:2967108)

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Originally Posted by Clive Brown

I thought the tests were run at PIR (Phoenix International Raceway), not Las Vegas. PIR has been repaved, the front stretch widened, the dog-leg in the back stretch altered, and the corners rebanked.

You are probably right. I got the information from a friend and as neither one of us really follows NA$CAR . . .

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PabloTeK · 7 Oct 2011, 21:03 (Ref:2967329)

Now NASCAR has F1 technology! Well, it's a start

Bob Riebe · 18 Oct 2011, 19:32 (Ref:2973466)

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Originally Posted by PabloTeK

Now NASCAR has F1 technology! Well, it's a start

Well, before the team with the best engine/carb. builder had an advantage but now all will use the same, spec.. injection system, so the series that worried about trains drolling around the track, will get more of the same.
Brilliant.
Better gas mileage though!

St00ge · 26 Oct 2011, 00:43 (Ref:2976861)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Well, before the team with the best engine/carb. builder had an advantage but now all will use the same, spec.. injection system, so the series that worried about trains drolling around the track, will get more of the same.
Brilliant.
Better gas mileage though!

maybe the off throttle stuff is a bit better but I doubt they will be saving much fuel over the carbys.. Flat out is flat out

Carsandmotorracing · 31 Oct 2011, 03:54 (Ref:2979369)

Good to see NASCAR has come in with the times, even if they are 40 years late. Now change the cars from tube framed sticker plastered bore mobiles to real race cars

Matt · 5 Nov 2011, 14:20 (Ref:2981902)

They're more of a "real race car" than anything street car based. Cars based on road-going models have compromises due to the street car design, while tubers are designed for one thing only, and that's to race.

ss_collins · 5 Nov 2011, 17:52 (Ref:2981969)

Those who often slag off NASCAR for being low tech and backwards really should take the time to actually see what goes into the R&D of these things - they are seriously seriously advanced.

Paradise City · 5 Nov 2011, 19:46 (Ref:2982021)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

Those who often slag off NASCAR for being low tech and backwards really should take the time to actually see what goes into the R&D of these things - they are seriously seriously advanced.

With the exception of safety, I wish NASCAR was more low-tech and less advanced.

thebear · 5 Nov 2011, 20:11 (Ref:2982028)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

With the exception of safety, I wish NASCAR was more low-tech and less advanced.

Excellent statement!

picchiofan · 8 Nov 2011, 16:32 (Ref:2983195)

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Originally Posted by Carsandmotorracing

Good to see NASCAR has come in with the times, even if they are 40 years late. Now change the cars from tube framed sticker plastered bore mobiles to real race cars

Yea, who's stupid enough to watch a bunch of spec tube framed silloheutte cars with basically spec pushrod V8s and live axles trundle around?

Oh.

Matt · 8 Nov 2011, 19:50 (Ref:2983253)

mmmm, V8's.

Clive Brown · 8 Nov 2011, 20:01 (Ref:2983258)

[QUOTE=picchiofan;2983195]Yea, who's stupid enough to watch a bunch of spec tube framed silloheutte cars with basically spec pushrod V8s and live axles trundle around? [QUOTE]

Yeah, but 'strines will bet on flies crawling up a window....

**joeb** · 11 Nov 2011, 20:56 (Ref:2984517)

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Originally Posted by Matt

They're more of a "real race car" than anything street car based. Cars based on road-going models have compromises due to the street car design, while tubers are designed for one thing only, and that's to race.

I suppose that is the issue, they are race cars, but are classified as stock cars.

Matt · 12 Nov 2011, 05:38 (Ref:2984656)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I suppose that is the issue, they are race cars, but are classified as stock cars.

stockcars.

one word.

If you're gonna bring up that then don't let the aussies or brits complain about it.

Bob Riebe · 12 Nov 2011, 06:14 (Ref:2984662)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I suppose that is the issue, they are race cars, but are classified as stock cars.

Stock car racing, and I will make it one word the same day I start writing sportscar racing, have become more than a bit of a farce in the U.S. from the smallest short track sanction, up to NASCAR.

Prodified racing, as some in the SCCA used to call it, is what made U.S. racing great for decades, and it badly needs some sanction to do it again.

If I won the proverbial lottery, I would set up a holiday series at Road America, Memorial, 4th of July and Labor day with rules that as closely as possible mimicked the sixty-nine - seventy Trans-Am rules.

A million dollar purse for each race and contract it for a five year run.
It it tanked it tanked, if it was a success after five years some one else could figure out to fund it, and probably wreck it.

**joeb** · 14 Nov 2011, 13:32 (Ref:2986142)

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Originally Posted by Matt

stockcars.

one word.

If you're gonna bring up that then don't let the aussies or brits complain about it.

I thought it was 2 words, as NASCAR stands for National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Stock car racing, and I will make it one word the same day I start writing sportscar racing, have become more than a bit of a farce in the U.S. from the smallest short track sanction, up to NASCAR.

Prodified racing, as some in the SCCA used to call it, is what made U.S. racing great for decades, and it badly needs some sanction to do it again.

If I won the proverbial lottery, I would set up a holiday series at Road America, Memorial, 4th of July and Labor day with rules that as closely as possible mimicked the sixty-nine - seventy Trans-Am rules.

A million dollar purse for each race and contract it for a five year run.
It it tanked it tanked, if it was a success after five years some one else could figure out to fund it, and probably wreck it.

Bob, I'd go to that race if you won the lottery!

Clive Brown · 14 Nov 2011, 15:32 (Ref:2986199)

Incidentally, NASCAR are due to run a full-scale FI test at Daytona this month, so that teams have a chance to establish base-line data prior to Speed Weeks in February.

Although the basic kit is standard, I understand that there is still some latitude to customise the system within certain basic parameters.

Clive Brown · 16 Nov 2011, 15:14 (Ref:2987260)

....and now they've run the test. Nothing earth-shaking because not many cars turned up, and most of those concentrated on the NASCAR tests to try and find a way to put an end to tandem drafting. I don't think that the FI system is going to rock the boat much, if at all.

Matt · 16 Nov 2011, 17:36 (Ref:2987318)

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Originally Posted by Clive Brown

....and now they've run the test. Nothing earth-shaking because not many cars turned up, and most of those concentrated on the NASCAR tests to try and find a way to put an end to tandem drafting. I don't think that the FI system is going to rock the boat much, if at all.

joe nemecheck ran a few laps with no plate and the small spoiler.

Clive Brown · 16 Nov 2011, 21:12 (Ref:2987421)

Nemechek ran with a 3" spoiler and 1 1/16" plate.

So nice to see one of Joe's Sprint Cup cars turn more than a handful of laps before brakes, overheating, electrics, or a vibration brought his run to a premature end....

thebear · 18 Nov 2011, 15:02 (Ref:2988278)

Brad Keselowski has been fined by NA$CAR for criticizing electronic FI.

"We're not doing this because it's better for the teams," Keselowski said last week during an appearance at the NA$CAR Hall of Fame. "I don't think we're really going to save any gas. It's a media circus, trying to make you guys happy so you write good stories. It gives them something to promote. We're always looking for something to promote, but the honest answer is it does nothing for the sport except cost the team owners money.

"Cars on the street are injected w/real electronics, not a throttle body (like in NA$CAR). So we've managed to go from 50-year-old technology to 35-year-old technology. I don't see what the big deal is."

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Paradise City · 18 Nov 2011, 17:24 (Ref:2988333)

Secret fines, gagging. That creates vanilla drivers to mask the France mafioso.

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