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Old 27 Mar 2011, 11:25 (Ref:2854098)   #1
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Illegal rear wings. How could they tell?
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Old 27 Mar 2011, 11:38 (Ref:2854107)   #2
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Wow.

What a shame.

So if they passed scrutineering, how can this be? Unless they changed something on the car over the weekend?
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Old 27 Mar 2011, 11:40 (Ref:2854112)   #3
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There's a (very very complicated) explanation on autosport.com, which I totally don't get, but either they're too far forward or too far up or too low or... something. I wonder if that is what gave them that advantage, because I have to admit that I was surprised at the progress they made over the winter.
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Old 27 Mar 2011, 11:41 (Ref:2854113)   #4
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As I understand it the FIA doesn't carry out every test on every car pre race. However they can randomly select cars in PF post race. They did just that and Sauber failed on a dimensional test.

Perez now joins Kubica for being disqualified from 7th on has Sauber and F1 Debut. Spooky.
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Old 27 Mar 2011, 11:48 (Ref:2854119)   #5
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Whoops. Based on the rules broken that are quoted in Autosport, sounds like a design issue rather an adjustment issue.

They may have been running from the start of the year with the wing incorrect if that is the case.

Amazing that this type of thing can still happen with all the cad systems that the teams use.

Shame for the team given today's good result, but rules is rules.
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Old 27 Mar 2011, 13:27 (Ref:2854179)   #6
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I wonder, if its a design issue, when corrected, whether the team will lose a lot of its performance in the next races? I hope not, but as Tourer points out, rules are rules.
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Old 27 Mar 2011, 14:00 (Ref:2854199)   #7
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There's a (very very complicated) explanation on autosport.com, which I totally don't get, but either they're too far forward or too far up or too low or... something. I wonder if that is what gave them that advantage, because I have to admit that I was surprised at the progress they made over the winter.
Not so much a complicated explanation than a poorly written one.

As said above it looks like a design problem. They are going to investigate back at the factory.
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Not so much a complicated explanation than a poorly written one.
This is a problem with several technical regulations.
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Old 27 Mar 2011, 16:10 (Ref:2854254)   #9
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Their initial reaction seems one of not guilty, or at least one they feel comfortable enough to have confirmed they are lodging an appeal against the FIA decision.
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Old 27 Mar 2011, 16:34 (Ref:2854276)   #10
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Not so much a complicated explanation than a poorly written one.
I glaze over whenever I try to read the regs - they're way beyond my comprehension. Like reading a Will Self novel.
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Shame for Perez.
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Does the FIA have links to be able to read the protest and what the problem actually was? Saw on GPupdate a quote about all the car checking out except the rear upper-most wing element. Did it have to do with the range of a motion on the ARW system or the actual positioning of the rear wing elements? It does seem like they would enter the FIA dimensions in the programming when designing the car, but if their reference plane was off I guess that could throw off the wing position.
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This is a problem with several technical regulations.
For clarification, my point is not that the rule was badly written it was that the article was badly written.
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Still a shame that Perez great drive was for nowt.
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Still a shame that Perez great drive was for nowt.
In my opinion it takes nothing from his drive, I'm sure the dmensional error Sauber appear to have made had a negligible effect on the cars performance so Perez still drove that car to 7th on the track with a one stopper on his debut, a fine achievement. As you say it's a shame the history books won't reflect that (unless the appeal succeeds) but he still did it!
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Apparently there is some sort of 100mm ball that fits into the curvature of the wing section. There shouldn't be any sort of visible gap between the ball and the wing section ( or 'a local concave radius of curvature smaller than 100mm.') - but there was.
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how long are we going to wait for this hearing to take place about this.
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how long are we going to wait for this hearing to take place about this.
I've no idea - I expect it'll be after the flyaway races, when the teams return to Europe.
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Uhn... can they fix this issue in time for the next races ?? Oh yeah, we hope so...
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They checked their other rear wings that didn't have the same problem????
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As you say it's a shame the history books won't reflect that (unless the appeal succeeds) but he still did it!
And going by that drive, there's a reasonable chance the history books will reflect plenty of other positive moments for this man.
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They checked their other rear wings that didn't have the same problem????
I'm not surprised....

A 1mm/1% deviation in the curvature radius (which is by no mean extreme in the composite industry) - is all it would take to make their 'last weekend' wing illegal.....
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For clarification, my point is not that the rule was badly written it was that the article was badly written.
So your post was badly written?
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Here's an explanation that is hopefully written more clearly: http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/0...-infringement/
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